I am the leader of a small tavern/adventuring fc. I'd rather stay anonymous as to not invite more shit but I've been getting a lot of rumors about my fc and I'm not sure what to do. A few months ago I started getting whispers from completely random people [like level one alts] that there is negative rumors about my fc going around. I didn't pay it much mind but I was still completely baffled as we hadn't ever had any drama with outside people besides internal issues and with previous members we had to remove. The rumors didn't seem to go away and most recently I feel like this problem has gotten worse. I've been linked a few blogs that review places to visit in Eorzea and we've gotten frankly quite terrible reviews and I'm just rather suspicious of it all. Perhaps we are terrible, but the reviews seem quite nitpicky and most people who visit the tavern in person only had positive things to say. The worst of it is when I learned that someone who had given a positive review on their blog but they were messaged by someone anonymous, complaining about the positive review of us. It's again, all rumors, but I can't help but feel like we're being targeted for hate and I'm frankly not sure why. Is this normal for fcs?
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RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:32 AM
It does seem strange. Has anyone you removed in the past made any allusions to trying to get back at you? I know that some people especially on Balmung are just rude to other people for kicks (I have been the victim of a few myself). If the reviews people are actually giving you who have been to your FC are positive then it might just be one malicious agent trying to get back at you for something.Â
I don't think it is normal, but maybe have a check with your FC people that they haven't been rude to other people outside the FC and such. Newbie to public RP StuffÂ
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RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:33 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 11:33 AM by Askier.)
If I was a betting man, I'd say this sounds like someone or someones you removed from your FC due to drama (you mentioned that in your post) that have, for some reason, decided to be a petty person months later. Obviously I don't know the specifics but that's What I'd hazard a guess at.
And sadly you are not alone. Several FC leaders on this site have reported stories about people doing similar things. For some reason, some people never move on with life. Sorry to hear you are dealing with that. All I can advise the keep trying to push for people who enjoy your events to review as well cause otherwise there really is no magic bullet cure. |
RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:35 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 11:39 AM by Maia.)
I hate to say it, but I think this is normal. All it takes is one aggressively salty player who believes they were "wrongly removed" to start a crusade like this.
Try not to be too discouraged by the drama. In a way, it comes with the territory of running a guild. Paying attention to this person (or persons) is ultimately a waste of your time - time that could be better spent on much greater pursuits. When something like this happened to me, I just kind of chuckled and shrugged and wished that player the best. They seemed to put in a lot of effort toward "getting back at" our guild, while I was conversely not paying attention and just focused on making a super fun environment for my current members. After about six months, I think they realized I didn't care and their motivation naturally petered out. So yeah, if you think your public reputation is bad, don't fall into the drama trap. Instead of thinking about trying to repair whatever "PR" damage this person is doing, think about ways to improve your guild. Funnel your energy into unique ideas that would be crazy fun for anyone fortunate enough to attend. If you notice a trend with something not working right, set about fixing that thing in a positive way. Again, don't play the drama game. Just focus on your peeps and all the great stuff you can do for them, and for the community at large. If you create a unique and fantastic guild, then positive reviews will come. That is a much better use of your time, trust me! |
RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:37 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 11:39 AM by Saravahn.)
You play a game that has a very loud tumblrina group that plays it as well. If you so much as blink wrong, this group gets triggered and runs off to tumblr to say how much of a privileged ass you are and such.
I have no clue how large the group is, but in my experience there are a lot more in this game than one would expect. So many delicate little flowers ready to get triggered and offended for even the slightest of things. So yeah... it is common, unfortunately. Just keep on keeping on doing what it is that you enjoy doing. |
RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:37 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 11:40 AM by NineChameleon.)
(03-03-2017, 11:33 AM)Askier Wrote: Â All I can advise the keep trying to push for people who enjoy your events to review as well cause otherwise there really is no magic bullet cure. Askier hit it right on the head here. I know it can be hard to ignore the hate. Especially if it seems to come for no reason at all. But if your FC continues to grow the good will surely outweigh the bad in the end. But if you are determined to find the source maybe try following these hate posts back and try to find the source. Or maybe do some reporting if people are harassing you (even though that is a little extreme)Â If the levels of the people harassing you are low, it could be that they are all alts from the same person trying to be a jerk. Newbie to public RP StuffÂ
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RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:39 AM
Thank you all for the helpful words. It's hard to get off my mind right now, especially the bad reviews of our place, but you are all right...it's probably best to focus my energy elsewhere. And to be honest, it makes me feel better to hear it is a rather normal problem.
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RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:45 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 11:46 AM by Askier.)
(03-03-2017, 11:37 AM)Roderick Wrote: You play a game that has a very loud tumblrina group that plays it as well. If you so much as blink wrong, this group gets triggered and runs off to tumblr to say how much of a privileged ass you are and such. To be fair, they were triggered even before tumblr. Lol. |
RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:47 AM
If members like being in your FC, and people like coming to your events then that is all that counts.
Maybe do some publicity yourselves and have a place guests can add thanks to. You can't control the "out there" crowed, don't let them control you. Char:Â [Nebula Stardancer] Â FC: [East Eerie Trading Co]
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RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 11:50 AM
(03-03-2017, 11:37 AM)Roderick Wrote: You play a game that has a very loud tumblrina group that plays it as well. If you so much as blink wrong, this group gets triggered and runs off to tumblr to say how much of a privileged ass you are and such. Indeed - Haters gotta hate and toxics don't detox Char:Â [Nebula Stardancer] Â FC: [East Eerie Trading Co]
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RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 01:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 02:14 PM by Kilieit.)
I don't think it's helpful to pin the blame on one demographic of people over another. I happened to run a guild with """tumblrina""" rules like "don't use slurs" and "don't make racist jokes", and we had this exact kind of issue, people trying to spread rumours and making level 1 alts to try and make us think it was more than just them... from people who were kicked for breaking them. The "rumours" were along the lines of that we were a guild of over-sensitive SJWs and that I was a dictator with "oppression privilege". Because these people were mad that I'd told them they couldn't stay in our guild if they kept breaking the very clear rule we had about slurs and didn't stop calling things r*t*rded.
And of course they tried to use this image against me - paint me as a hysterical child who was "triggered" by the tiniest thing, and therefore couldn't possibly run a decent guild. It was all bollocks, and it never stuck, because at the end of the day our guild was decent, openly, and added a significant amount of value to the RP community with our presence. But that didn't stop the attempted harassment campaigns. I think it took the most tenacious of them a year (and some actual, legit, not-sure-in-retrospect-why-I-didn't-call-the-police stalking of me personally) to give up. Point is, people like this - who start a harassment campaign when you tell them to leave - exist in any cross-section of any community you sample. You can't afford to think that all the people in your group will be reasonable when crossed just because you happen to agree with them on other matters, like politics or game lore. As for how to deal with it: 1. Don't give them a rise. Don't get upset at them. Don't reply to the level 1 alt tells at all. Blacklist the original person who caused the issue, if you haven't already. You are not obligated to entertain this. If your members bring it up, address it with them in a calm, transparent way. Say that such-and-such a member was kicked for [reason], and then these rumours began. Tell them they're free to ignore the level 1 alt if it's causing them distress. Tell them if they have any concerns about the way the FC is run, they're free to bring them to the officer team as per usual (and then address them in the usual manner you do, which I hope is open and considerate). And if an outside player asks you, you're not obligated to either prostrate yourself to them or to give them details. Tell them you would hope people would witness your FC first-hand before believing bad things about it, and then change the subject. Think twice about recruiting this kind of person - if they can believe bad rumours about you now, what of later? 2. Don't change your FC's behaviour. Barring simple and non-loaded things like locking an FC house to non-members, you shouldn't change the way you run your events, interact with the wider community, or advertise for recruitment. Changing these things teaches the person that if they want to stop you from, say, openly recruiting for your FC, all they need to do is create 3 level 1 alts and send you /tells doubting your leadership. So next time they want to change something about your behaviour, they'll create 3 more alts. Remember that, at the end of the day, you have very little evidence these rumours are actually rumours. Treating them like they're real makes them more real. Don't give this person the satisfaction. [This differs from advice when it comes to IRL stalking, because online, there's no actual physical danger involved in just continuing about your business.] 3. Don't be afraid to get the GMs involved if things get out of hand. The GMs in this game take stalking and harassment very seriously. Privately collect the names of the level 1 alts who send you /tells about this (blacklisting them is a good way to do this automatically, especially if you don't have many other people on your blacklist). If it keeps up for too long (honestly the fact you're writing to us today tells me you're already fed up), gets worse, or the messages get at all threatening, file a GM ticket. They'll tell you what they can do and help you out as best they can. And if you happen to get an unhelpful GM, file again, as you'll likely get a different member of staff handling your ticket - though I've honestly never heard of someone having problems with the GMs with regards to harassment. Compared to the GMs in WoW, the ones in XIV are pretty clued up on problems like this. Good luck. I also want to emphasise: this is not your fault. It's not your fault and it's actually not your job to handle it, even though you more or less have to. This person is being horrible by doing what they're doing, and that's on them, not you. If you want to know whether you're running the FC well, look to yourself and what you're doing - not to reviews on random websites, and not to the words of level 1 alts who may or may not belong to someone who feels unduly slighted and has nothing better to do than to try and turn that feeling back on you. |
RE: Rumors about my FC? |
03-03-2017, 01:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-03-2017, 01:48 PM by Kilieit.)
(03-03-2017, 01:43 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(03-03-2017, 01:32 PM)Kilieit Wrote: If you want to know whether you're running the FC well, look to yourself and what you're doing - not to reviews on random websites, and not to the words of level 1 alts who may or may not belong to someone who feels unduly slighted and has nothing better to do than to try and turn that feeling back on you. Yes this - basically look to people invested in the FC's success, not people invested in its failure. So you, your officer team (if you have one), and your members. Actively open the communication channels. Be honest with yourself about where you're having shortcomings (no one should kid themself here - every FC has them), and ask for feedback on how to improve in those areas. Ask what people like and don't like about the things you already do well. Ask if there's anything people would like to see more of. |
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