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Celise · **06-26-2016, 03:32 PM**

I'm hoping for Ala Mhigo, but there's nothing I think I'd feel disappointed over, either.

I am a little nervous about the rotations; they're already pushing the limit of complexity in some cases, and I'm not sure there's room to add more. (And I'm a controller player, so...)

Kilieit · **06-26-2016, 03:46 PM**

(06-26-2016, 03:32 PM)Celise Wrote: I am a little nervous about the rotations; they're already pushing the limit of complexity in some cases, and I'm not sure there's room to add more. (And I'm a controller player, so...)

God, yeah... I'm a PC player, so I think I have more room overall than you do. But, right now, my main DRG hotbar is full. I do not have any room for anything else in my main rotation. Anything else and I won't be able to reach it with the 1 to = keybinds, meaning that, because I'm a dumbass, I'm liable to forget to use it (when was the last time I remembered Phlebotomise exists? We just don't know).

If they raise the level cap by another 10 and, accordingly, add another ~5 abilities... Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯

Celise · **06-26-2016, 04:03 PM**

(06-26-2016, 03:46 PM)Kilieit Wrote: God, yeah... I'm a PC player, so I think I have more room overall than you do. But, right now, my main DRG hotbar is full. I do not have any room for anything else in my main rotation. Anything else and I won't be able to reach it with the 1 to = keybinds, meaning that, because I'm a dumbass, I'm liable to forget to use it (when was the last time I remembered Phlebotomise exists? We just don't know).

If they raise the level cap by another 10 and, accordingly, add another ~5 abilities... Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯

It's definitely a thing! There's a few tricks I can do -- the crossbars and careful placement of what abilities are where -- but at a point, I can get really slow. I used to main DRG, and I had... I think three crossbars' worth, and I had to have all the off-GCD ones on both as I swapped between the two main combos.

Ninja is a little easier.

Valence · **06-27-2016, 03:38 AM**

(06-26-2016, 03:32 PM)Celise Wrote: I'm hoping for Ala Mhigo, but there's nothing I think I'd feel disappointed over, either.

I am a little nervous about the rotations; they're already pushing the limit of complexity in some cases, and I'm not sure there's room to add more. (And I'm a controller player, so...)

Especially with MNK and Ninja, that get very intensive in terms of skill speed. At 60 I'm stretching to my limits in terms of brain processing and it gets messy pretty fast.

For other DPS jobs there is more leeway, but still. Full hotbars already. I don't want to open a 4th one. I really don't want.

Farrell · **06-27-2016, 07:09 AM**

In that case new skills could be a choice of evolution of skills we already have, no?

Warren Castille · **06-27-2016, 08:39 AM**

I've mentioned it a few times before, but I wouldn't mind if 60-70 only gave us one or two more skills and instead we got some new Traits. They're not as exciting, but it's an easy way to offer buffs or adjustments without having to throw off rotations or priorities.

Edit: Early prediction! Since 3.0 gave paladins back Holy Succor Clemency I'm hoping 4.0 gives us back War Drum.

Aaron · **06-27-2016, 09:45 AM**

Slick hope Samurai is a tanking class. Got enough dps as is.

Warren Castille · **06-27-2016, 09:48 AM**

Samurai is going to be such an anti-hype announcement. Yoshi's named it by name as something he wanted to implement, so it's not even really a reveal, just a "Oh look what we got around to."

Hell, depending on what we do in 3.4 and 3.5 we could see it implemented mid-expansion like Ninja was. That'd make everyone wonder about a new class without taking the wind out of their own sails.

Valence · **06-27-2016, 11:11 AM**

Problem with tanking Samurai is... Another tanking class with a sword. All sword classes are exclusively tanking classes right now. How boring. With, arguably, perhaps, the exception of Ninja which is about dual handed short blades, but... yeah.

Why not a mage tank for a change? Or even craziest, a ranged tank (with actual gameplay limited range, shotgun type)? I don't know, make us dream.

Warren Castille · **06-27-2016, 11:29 AM**

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Aaron · **06-27-2016, 11:59 AM**

Lmfao yeah a mage tank would be awful.

Unless they do it like a Red Mage, or something. Don't they use sword and gun?

Edgar · **06-27-2016, 12:10 PM**

How exactly do people expect a ranged tank to work? The mobs will aggro you and run right up to you, regardless of what distance you grabbed them from, so unless you intend to design a class around KITING, the ranged novelty is pointless!

Warren Castille · **06-27-2016, 12:13 PM**

(06-27-2016, 11:59 AM)Aaron Wrote: Lmfao yeah a mage tank would be awful.

Unless they do it like a Red Mage, or something. Don't they use sword and gun?

RDM's design doesn't really lend to tanking. It could do some incredible things in FFXI in the hands of truly skilled players with the best possible gear, but that's not really the rule, just the exception.

RDMs used rods, staves, and swords across the series as a whole, but they also make use of both WHM and BLM (which throws up potentially all kinds of lore challenges) while also complicating what they would actually be doing in a fight. Giving a class okay-heals and okay-melee and okay-nuking generally means they're worse than specialists in every circumstance. It can be balanced, certainly, but if done incorrectly you either get a broken OP class or something worse than anyone else at everything.

I would like to see RDM as a DPS, all that considered. Give them spells on proc from melee combos, or make them do the dance like BLMs do with a melee/magic switch. I don't know how you'd incorporate the recovery aspect of it, though.

Momo · **06-27-2016, 12:40 PM**

The thing with a mage tank...is that I would expect it to work somewhat like DRK already does, so I am not sure how much of a game changer that would be. It could become a higher DPS tank, but would likely start to rely on better armor, or max armor to keep up with other tanks in defense/health, and in this game, armor doesn't have the kind of stats that would be needed to keep a mage tank going unless it was like all the other tanks and therefor not much of a mage.

A sort of RDM/Elemental Fencer would be interesting, but probably upset lore a bit. Using elemental magic to produce buffs and debuffs, upping the burst ability of RDM to something near SMN, but work the job different...that may just be a glamour over SMN with no pet though.

I am not going to fight SAM, I think it should happen, fits well into the lore, could provide us with more Doman lore, and would work well for either DPS or Tank, though as a tank who knows how that would go over. I don't think they will do it as a patch, on the fact that Yoshi-P no Kami asked his team what they least liked about working on this game, and the overall answer was patch job introduction was the worst and there was a fear of mutiny over it haha. I just want Ronin to be walking around all over the place, complete with chest bandages and off-shoulder yukatas and all that. Bring. them. on.

V'aleera · **06-27-2016, 01:22 PM**

If they were to do a mage tank, I think it should be Blue Mage. The traditional arsenal used by Blue Mages already suits itself to the concept of tanking (Bad Breath/1000 Needles for aggro, White Wind/Mighty Guard for defense/party protection). It would be an interesting spin on one of the weirder jobs.

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