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TheLastCandle · **09-27-2014, 08:45 PM**

..Oh, the name itself is taken from the anime in question as well? Sorry, I'm not familiar with it. Yeah, I would definitely recommend a more subtle homage, maybe just recalling bits of the character's personality that you admire, if anything. People will be more likely to roleplay with such a character, and it gives you ample opportunity to have fun and be unique, letting your creative side shine. Smile

Lyriell · **09-27-2014, 08:59 PM**

I'm thinking of making a deviation of the characters name.
Though I don't really want to do a name change either.

I could let her engine name be as it is but change her canon name if that makes sense?

How about Fayt Tessarousa?

Kellach Woods · **09-27-2014, 09:26 PM**

(09-27-2014, 08:59 PM)Lyriell Wrote: How about Fayt Tessarousa?

sounds like you played too much SO3 and you're trying too hard.

Honestly, I'd advise against making an obvious reference. Just keep the FT initials and make a name based off of that would be my advice.

Lyriell · **09-27-2014, 09:31 PM**

(09-27-2014, 09:26 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(09-27-2014, 08:59 PM)Lyriell Wrote: How about Fayt Tessarousa?
sounds like you played too much SO3 and you're trying too hard.

Honestly, I'd advise against making an obvious reference. Just keep the FT initials and make a name based off of that would be my advice.

I don't even know what SO3 is and this is less about obvious reference but more about the fact that I personally just really love that name, that's why I at least want to keep the ring it has right now.

Roswyn · **09-27-2014, 09:43 PM**

(09-27-2014, 09:31 PM)Lyriell Wrote:
(09-27-2014, 09:26 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote:
(09-27-2014, 08:59 PM)Lyriell Wrote: How about Fayt Tessarousa?
sounds like you played too much SO3 and you're trying too hard.

Honestly, I'd advise against making an obvious reference. Just keep the FT initials and make a name based off of that would be my advice.

I don't even know what SO3 is and this is less about obvious reference but more about the fact that I personally just really love that name, that's why I at least want to keep the ring it has right now.

If you choose to keep it then you are acknowledging that there are a number of folk that will just not rp with the character.

If that is understood then yeah go for it. Smile

SayonaraRevival · **09-27-2014, 09:45 PM**

the average response to this thread is kind of telling about the RP community's general views, I think, at least from an outsider's point of view. )': I still haven't RPed more than once ingame and I have one forum thread, so I'm pretty sure I can count as an 'outsider'.

(yet again reiterating lol) I come from Tumblr, where people RP pre-existing characters more often than not (or so my RPing experience goes). and it's the player-made characters that get all the flak there -- apparently the "OC" players are less popular due to the fact that Tumblr RPers just simply don't know the character. and, personally, I always thought that was BS anyway. sure, they get their share of the same world-breaking, lore-bending, god-modding types, but they tend to lump the player-made characters/OCs with the god-modders, and refuse to RP with them in general.

and, I know people have their preferences, and RPing is a fun hobby and should stay that way -- but isn't it a bit similar to the concepts of discrimination anyway? there have been so many times I've been hurt when someone has said "you're an OC, so I don't really want to RP with you." this stings bad because of the implication that they're not RPing with me only because I'm RPing a player-made character.

and that's really lame to see. implying "I'm not going to try to RP with you just because you're x or y." as a sole reason to refuse RP... is it still a preference at that point? it's got all the fallbacks of any decision based on a stereotype. yes, stereotypes exist for a reason -- but they're not always completely true.

as I am reading this, the reverse seems to be true. some people say they would RP with an "AU" character (alternate universe: that's what Tumblr-land calls a different version of a canon character) but others would flat out refuse to for one reason or another. why? what's not permissible about RPing a fictional character that isn't your own? no matter what, the OP's Fate would end up different than the Fate in Nanoha itself, because it's not the original writer behind her -- that's even beyond the FFXIV version differences the OP's mentioned they will make.

also, I am curious as to the problem with RPing with a name from something else. as people told me in my intro thread, using the username in RPing at all is pretty much metagaming unless the username matches the RPer's character's intended name for the character. it's not like IRL names are capable of being completely original anyway, so I can only see a problem as perceived by the act of using a name. originality is really hard to fully use -- chances are, even if you come up with something on your own, someone else will have done it in a plot, or made a character like it already, so on and so forth.

really, in the music business there is a lot of borrowing chord progressions, melodies, harmonies, rhythms, everything. art is another example. for every popular artist, there's a dozen people who love their style and try to recreate, copy, or incorporate. and even in writing -- there's a ton of plagiarism in the world, along with being simply inspired. so, why is it a problem to begin with? is there an objective and definite response beside personal preference?Â

where to draw the line between plagiarism and simple inspiration is pretty subjective in some cases. and as I see it, that's why there's hesitation in the "will you RP with this" question. (you know, besides personal preferences.)

I don't know if posting my thoughts/opinions/observations on this matter is a good idea, but considering I think I've spent enough time typing this, I should probably just hit the post reply button and hope people understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just attempting to relay that tl;dr originality is near-impossible to attain, and a lot more people borrow concepts and ideas than one might assume. (and that it's weird to see the reverse of what I'm used to.)

to the OP: I don't really mind it myself. I'd RP with Fate, provided you're not my ex who also adored Fate. anyway, you should always do whatever is fun for you -- and if whatever's fun for you includes doing what others want you to do, listening to advice, etc, then go for it.

edit: STAR OCEAN 3 YEAHHHH. it had its problems for sure, but I still loved that game :')

Lyriell · **09-27-2014, 10:38 PM**

(09-27-2014, 09:45 PM)SayonaraRevival Wrote: the average response to this thread is kind of telling about the RP community's general views, I think, at least from an outsider's point of view. )': I still haven't RPed more than once ingame and I have one forum thread, so I'm pretty sure I can count as an 'outsider'.

(yet again reiterating lol) I come from Tumblr, where people RP pre-existing characters more often than not (or so my RPing experience goes). and it's the player-made characters that get all the flak there -- apparently the "OC" players are less popular due to the fact that Tumblr RPers just simply don't know the character. and, personally, I always thought that was BS anyway. sure, they get their share of the same world-breaking, lore-bending, god-modding types, but they tend to lump the player-made characters/OCs with the god-modders, and refuse to RP with them in general.

and, I know people have their preferences, and RPing is a fun hobby and should stay that way -- but isn't it a bit similar to the concepts of discrimination anyway? there have been so many times I've been hurt when someone has said "you're an OC, so I don't really want to RP with you." this stings bad because of the implication that they're not RPing with me only because I'm RPing a player-made character.

and that's really lame to see. implying "I'm not going to try to RP with you just because you're x or y." as a sole reason to refuse RP... is it still a preference at that point? it's got all the fallbacks of any decision based on a stereotype. yes, stereotypes exist for a reason -- but they're not always completely true.

as I am reading this, the reverse seems to be true. some people say they would RP with an "AU" character (alternate universe: that's what Tumblr-land calls a different version of a canon character) but others would flat out refuse to for one reason or another. why? what's not permissible about RPing a fictional character that isn't your own? no matter what, the OP's Fate would end up different than the Fate in Nanoha itself, because it's not the original writer behind her -- that's even beyond the FFXIV version differences the OP's mentioned they will make.

also, I am curious as to the problem with RPing with a name from something else. as people told me in my intro thread, using the username in RPing at all is pretty much metagaming unless the username matches the RPer's character's intended name for the character. it's not like IRL names are capable of being completely original anyway, so I can only see a problem as perceived by the act of using a name. originality is really hard to fully use -- chances are, even if you come up with something on your own, someone else will have done it in a plot, or made a character like it already, so on and so forth.

really, in the music business there is a lot of borrowing chord progressions, melodies, harmonies, rhythms, everything. art is another example. for every popular artist, there's a dozen people who love their style and try to recreate, copy, or incorporate. and even in writing -- there's a ton of plagiarism in the world, along with being simply inspired. so, why is it a problem to begin with? is there an objective and definite response beside personal preference?Â

where to draw the line between plagiarism and simple inspiration is pretty subjective in some cases. and as I see it, that's why there's hesitation in the "will you RP with this" question. (you know, besides personal preferences.)

I don't know if posting my thoughts/opinions/observations on this matter is a good idea, but considering I think I've spent enough time typing this, I should probably just hit the post reply button and hope people understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just attempting to relay that tl;dr originality is near-impossible to attain, and a lot more people borrow concepts and ideas than one might assume. (and that it's weird to see the reverse of what I'm used to.)

to the OP: I don't really mind it myself. I'd RP with Fate, provided you're not my ex who also adored Fate. anyway, you should always do whatever is fun for you -- and if whatever's fun for you includes doing what others want you to do, listening to advice, etc, then go for it.

edit: STAR OCEAN 3 YEAHHHH. it had its problems for sure, but I still loved that game :')

These were kind off my thoughts on it, though I fear that some people will probably ignore my character despite of how I will play her or fit her into the FFXIV theme.

Also, I haven't played Star Ocean 3, but I still love the soundtrack :3
Is it as good as the soundtrack is? I might give it a try ^^

Titor · **09-27-2014, 10:51 PM**

Just going to leave this here

Quote:3.5 Naming Right.Â You may not use any name or other intellectual property belonging to Square Enix or any other third party in your use of the Game (for example, naming a character after a celebrity, company, product, or superhero).

Kellach Woods · **09-27-2014, 10:54 PM**

(09-27-2014, 10:51 PM)Titor Wrote: Just going to leave this here

Quote:3.5 Naming Right.Â You may not use any name or other intellectual property belonging to Square Enix or any other third party in your use of the Game (for example, naming a character after a celebrity, company, product, or superhero).

More importantly, just means you might have to change it anyway.

However, the people here are less zealous about reporting clones than in CoH/CO, so... yeah.

Cato · **09-27-2014, 11:15 PM**

No, I wouldn't. Taking inspiration from something is fine, but it should be done in a subtle and tasteful manner. A role-player can often come across as obnoxious if they're effectively just copying and pasting an established character from another setting.

Mithril Specs · **09-27-2014, 11:22 PM**

Well, I don't quite think one could compare this to how RP is being handled on Tumblr? Or at least it just feels a whole lot different than in a game, if that makes any sense? I've been roleplaying over there for quite a while and most of the time you don't see preexisting characters being divorced from their setting, at least as far as I've looked. And, hell, depending on what you're writing for, you're gonna need a couple folks taking on the role of some key characters to make the whole thing work, if you're in a group that stays very close to the original setting and whatnot.

Maybe it's a personal bias of mine, but what works on a blogging platform or via messengers just feels...odd in a game like this? Especially the whole thing about taking a character and just basically FF-fying them? Of course everyone here's free to do as they please and write what's fun for them, the only thing you'd have to be aware of that a character like this could tend to just be seen as "the Final Fantasy version of ___" and that might be a hard trap to avoid.

Erik Mynhier · **09-28-2014, 12:15 AM**

(09-27-2014, 04:33 PM)Lyriell Wrote: Hey fellow RPers!

I'm planning to move over one of my characters to Balmung since the other server I'm frequently playing on has become quite empty, thus I want to fully transfer over to Balmung now.

My Couerl character is called Fate Testarossa and based on the Anime Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha if anyone knows it. (It's one of the few GOOD magical girl series btw!)

Now since I really love this character I wouldn't want to change it at all, but I know that I might not resist going into IC with it either since I love RPing. So my question is would you take such a character seriously at all? I mean a version of this character that is split off from the actual anime but kind of like another version of it based on FFXIV?

I'd like to hear your thoughts on that matter!

Everyone who plays with Erik knows he has a magical girl transformation macro. I can send you a copy if you like. Big Grin

Tiergan · **09-28-2014, 12:29 AM**

I've never RPed on Tumblr ever, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Tumblr RP probably has its roots in fanfiction. If that's the case, I can definitely get why it would be frowned upon to drop in your original characters into Tumblr-RP-land.

Fanfiction is (generally) all about people writing stories with and about the characters we all fell in love with when we watched/played/read a certain movie/show/game/book. As a dorky teenager, I read a buttload of Final Fantasy fanfics because I loved the games so much that after I finished them, I wanted to keep enjoying the characters I came to care about. The last thing I wanted was for some guy/gal to drop in their original character that I didn't give a damn about and read about them rubbing elbows or attempting to be some BAMF with my favorite characters.

This might be why some Tumblr RP groups find original characters icky. If a bunch of folks are doing some RP based off of Naruto and some guy has his original character doing stuff that's just as wacky and 'badass' as all of the main characters, it just feels off.

In contrast, MMO RP obviously has it's roots in MMOs where we all start of creating our very own unique characters in the character creator. Unlike with fanfics, we generally don't go into the MMO already knowing the story and having favorite characters -- and even if we do (like with World of Warcraft) we as players can't play as those important characters. No one can roll up Thrall or Medivh for example. (Or you can try, but it shatters a million basic RP rules if you were to attempt to RP them.) MMO RPers take more pride in coming up with a unique character that also fits in the setting. It's typically frowned upon here to take a character from a totally different setting/game/movie/etc, made by someone else, and drop them in.

Plus, it can sometimes be pretty immersion breaking for RPers to have well-known characters from other franchises suddenly appear in Eorzea -- just like it's probably immersion breaking for Tumblr RPers to suddenly have Bob the Original Character being all buddy buddy with their favorite characters from their most beloved franchises.

I know I would avoid the heck out of someone literally RPing they are Son Goku or Kirito in Eorzea.

Zyrusticae · **09-28-2014, 12:30 AM**

(09-27-2014, 11:22 PM)Mithril Specs Wrote: Especially the whole thing about taking a character and just basically FF-fying them?

Funny thing: this is exactly what I did.

Mind you, she's still my OC so only those who played with me on my previous games would ever know, but I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a character you already had and just transplanting them into Eorzea - provided you do so with at least some level of care and attention to detail. I actually find it an entertaining exercise, trying to think of how my character would retain traits that she possessed in her previous incarnation but would change in the context of the new setting.

But as far as characters that aren't your own creation being transplanted into the game? Hmmm... Well, I can't say I look too favorably on that. Besides the copyright issue, it just feels like cheating in a way. I don't think it would be too difficult to just base your character off of another character you like, while changing enough about them that the reference is obvious but not overwhelmingly so. After all, once you change enough aspects of the character (including their name), they'll be quite distinct from the original to begin with.

ArmachiA · **09-28-2014, 12:35 AM**

^ THis.

When you come from a table top background, you certainly role your own characters 90% of the time. Tumblr is a whole different beast rooted in Fandom, MMO RPing is not the same. Not even a little close.

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