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[Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Aysun - 08-07-2013
With all the confusion and misconception floating around about "Legacy" and "non-Legacy" I figured I'd make a post explaining what these things mean, and what it means to the servers to be labeled as such.
Updated 6/2017.
Full disclosure: I am a Balmung player. I have played XIV since open beta of 1.0Â continuously and don't venture into other MMOs. I have no life.
What's the difference between Legacy and non-Legacy servers?
Balmung is a "Legacy" server. All it means is that when version 1.0 of the game was discontinued, all characters that were created during 1.0 were saved and then transferred to A Realm Reborn on that server. In 1.0 at one time, Balmung was known as Besaid (it was merged with another server during 1.0 to bolster population).
What is the difference between a Legacy server, Legacy character, 1.0 character, the Warriors of Light, and THE Warrior of Light? What are the perks?
- A Legacy server is one that was around during 1.0. These include the JP (Aegis, Durandal, Gungnir, Masamune, Ridill) and NA/EU (Balmung, Excalibur, Hyperion, Ragnarok, Sargatanas) tagged servers.
- A Legacy character is a character that is on an account of someone who paid for a 3-month subscription during a period of time in 1.0. They have a Legacy tattoo (aka the Mark of the Twelve), receive discounted monthly fees, a special chocobo mount, and extra character slots at no charge. There are slight changes to the 2.x storyline for these characters, as they are recognized to have completed certain quests in 1.0. There is no longer a way to get this status.
- A 1.0 character is a character that was created during 1.0 on an account that does not have legacy status. They have the Legacy tattoo, but do not receive other perks.
- "Warriors of Light" are characters who attended the Battle of Carteneau and represent all 1.0 characters. Therefore, all 1.0 characters are Warriors of Light OOCly (which is why we all have the mark), however ICly most 1.0 RPers are not Warriors of Light. Luckily, the tattoo is toggle-able on/off, so those who don't have it IC can easily turn it off to avoid confusion.
More on this later.
- THE Warrior of Light - that is the ARR Player Character who may or may not have gone to Carteneau depending on your own journey with the game (if you played in up through a certain quest in 1.0 or not), but comes to be called THE Warrior of Light due to his or her actions in the main scenario quests.
Absolutely! During the first week of Legacy server testing in phase 3 of beta, SquareEnix limited new character creation on Legacy servers to test the stability of the transferring characters' data. Since then, new character creation has been allowed and encouraged on Legacy servers.
*However*, Balmung and other high-population servers are currently completely restricted from character creation.Â
What about the economy on Legacy servers?
High-population servers have very active, competitive markets. Things are expensive. Other times things are undercut into oblivion. The biggest hindrance to players on high-population servers seems to be running out of housing plots.
What about the Warriors of Light again?
The Warriors of Light are a unique aspect to Legacy servers and will add a different sort of flavor to the RP there at times. OOC, all 1.0 characters are Warriors of Light and have the Legacy tattoo (Mark of the Twelve) to show it. IC, however, most characters did NOT go to the Battle of Carteneau and thus will not be Warriors of Light (and thus not have the tattoo) ICly.
The Warriors of Light were those characters that were at the Battle of Carteneau, as seen in the trailer, as I said. They witnessed Bahamut's release from Dalamud and were saved by Louisoux by being teleported five years, to the release of ARR, untouched by the passage of time.
In the blink of an eye, a Warrior of Light went from the battle field to the new realm, and walked back to the cities. They are unrecognized by people who knew them in 1.0 due to a "fuzzy memory" effect from the Calamity. Those who knew them before the Calamity and have the Echo are able to recognize them, however. This is only really a concern for those of us who RP'd in 1.0 and need to figure out who from 1.0 will remember us and who won't. It also appears that with time, those who knew them can come to remember even without the Echo.
What does having to interact with the Warriors of Light mean to a new character?
Nothing, really, unless you want it to mean something! As you are a new character, you have not met them prior to the Calamity, and therefore you don't have to worry about recognizing or not recognizing them! No player of a Warrior of Light that I know will expect any special treatment or recognition from ANY new player because of their "status."
Can I be a Warrior of Light as a new character?
Nothing is stopping you! We're not going to be upset if you decide to write your history to include having gone to the Battle of Carteneau. It is a unique experience and I don't blame anyone for wanting to utilize it in their stories. Just remember to say that you have the mark if you ever are in a situation where it could be seen, so that we know.Â
And who is THE Warrior of Light, then?
The storyline refers the Player Character as being the Warrior of Light as well. The 1.0 characters who went through the Battle of Carteneau are some sort of 'old heroes' type thing known by commoners as the Warriors of Light, and THE Warrior of Light refers to the Player Character when they are blessed by Hydaelyn and continue through the storyline.
What's this I hear about special cutscenes for Legacy characters in game?
Characters that are Legacy (and reached a certain point in the 1.0 storyline) receive altered/additional cutscenes at certain points in the storyline. That is because our characters went through the story in 1.0, and therefore know key NPCs in ARR as well. The changes are minor and do not alter the overall feel of the game. Our arrival to our starting city shows our character walking in, rather than the scene with the chocobo cart. Key NPCs have moments of "You're familiar" around our characters, but they can't place us, while others (Minfilia, due to her having the Echo) can. By doing this for Legacy players, SE kept continuity and acknowledge that what we did in 1.0 did happen.
That's all for now! Please, feel free to post any more questions below.
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Kari Illderthane - 08-07-2013
Thanks for this Aysun.
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Nel Celestine - 08-07-2013
Great post. Should totally be stickied or something
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Magellan - 08-07-2013
While this is very informative, and I am appreciative of the amount of effort that went into this, it feels like a soft lobby for Balmung, as Gilgamesh and non-legacy, as well as the purposes behind that server are rarely mentioned :/
It does help clear up some confusion though. Good luck to all RPers everywhere, even the ones not on Bal or Gil! Happy storytelling to all!
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Aysun - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 02:05 PM)Magellan Wrote: While this is very informative, and I am appreciative of the amount of effort that went into this, it feels like a soft lobby for Balmung, as Gilgamesh and non-legacy, as well as the purposes behind that server are rarely mentioned :/
It does help clear up some confusion though. Good luck to all RPers everywhere, even the ones not on Bal or Gil! Happy storytelling to all!
The reasons behind Gilgamesh's formation are in each individual's choice to be there, and why people go there instead of Balmung wasn't really the focus of this. I wanted to clear up what all this Legacy nonsense means and doesn't mean, that's all. Thanks, for the feedback, though!
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Magellan - 08-07-2013
Of course, and I honestly do not mean to stir up any trouble. I am very much looking forward to spending time with all my new Balmung friends.
*hugs*
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Demon Fox - 08-07-2013
i gave you rep because this cleared up my confusion as to what a legacy server actually is, having not played 1.0 i didn't really take notice of the details, i knew the whole "legacy" thing was people who played 1.0 but that's about it.
I like this whole "Warriors of Light" concept but i have to say i do have issues with it. you have given people the option to have a Warrior of Light even though they have not played 1.0 and that's awesome, it's very welcoming to people like me who didn't play 1.0 (though i will not be using it)
Saying that though, i have a feeling this will encourage the formation of cliques (Which is something i have heard people are worried about on Balmung but this is the only thing that has made me take that thought pattern) cliques are never good for RP. on the one hand you have...lets call them then "Veteran warrior of light" players, the ones that actually played 1.0 and then on the other you have the warriors of light players that didn't play 1.0.
With an MMO there is always a wide variety of people, especially when it comes to an RP environment with so many people interacting all the time, it's only a matter of time before we get a "Veteran warrior of light" player that looks down their noses at the regular ones for not actually earning the right to use that title.
this could lead that vet to searching out other vets that feel the same way, which in turn forms a clique that could very well shun the regular warrior of light players. i'm not saying it will happen but it's a possibility. another issue would be the "That guy" situation, you know those people that have played a previous game and there for think they have ultimate domain and knowledge over all newbies and see fit to throw it in their faces with such quotes as "I played THE FIRST GAME so I know more than YOU!"
The type of person we look at and say "Don't be that guy..." the problem i see here is that you are giving "That guy" a title to solidify his already god-like feelings over the newbies and when someone like that comes a long (and it's not uncommon) the newbies won't feel so welcomed, same goes for the whole "Vet warriors of light" situation i put down.
Don't get me wrong, i personally really like the idea but i think it would need something more than just "played the first game" you need to tack on some rules like "i played the first game and i'm not an asshat"
I've run into the types of people i've talked about in pretty much every single MMO i've played (Champions Online, The Secret World, Swtor, Guild wars 2 and so on) they are never very welcoming to new players and from what i have seen, this game is getting a lot of people that are not only new to the universe, but are new to RP in general.
I know this whole "Warriors of light" thing seems to be designed to be a small thing but there are those players out there that will take this thing in an entirely different light and expect special treatment.
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Tyriont - 08-07-2013
One thing you might want to add, just to clarify utterly - that tattoo can be toggled so that it doesn't display. So a 1.0 character who was not at the battle - such as Tyriont - can choose not to have it ever display on their character.
Otherwise, this is great and much-needed information. I'd also just like to throw out a brief counter to Demon Fox's point. Yes, it's entirely true that people who tend to portray "that one guy" tendencies can see the whole Warrior of Light angle as a 'legitimate' way to lord it over non-WoL players. But the thing about that guy? He's a dick. And I, for one, don't like to play with dicks.
So no matter how much they try and 'legitimately' lord it over newer players, that won't help them when they very quickly find that nobody wants to RP with them.
Y'know, 'cause they're a dick.
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Magellan - 08-07-2013
@Demon Fox: I came into this community pretty jaded from situations similar as yours; the old guard that looked down their noses at newcomers, seemingly intolerant to the point of trying to chase new players off (which boggles my mind)
My very first post on the RPC was rather snarky and confrontational. Rather than be chastised, several people reached out to me and tried to get me to understand that this community is different. I've seen nothing but evidence to support that since. Will there be a-holes? Absolutely. Does the majority of this community want to see an RP family grow together and nurture each other regardless of RP experience, sex, age, race, and creed? I 100% think that they do, even if we disagree from time to time.
Legacy status doesn't matter. Everyone, from the very first RPer on version 1.0, to our newest member signing up now, has a say in the creation of the future of Balmung. I implicitly trust this community, and what they are trying to achieve. I can't wait to meet them in game.
By sharing our view points, and working together, I think we'll avoid any sort of elite warriors of light scenario.
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Gerik - 08-07-2013
Nice post as usual Ayslut
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Aysun - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 02:43 PM)Tyriont Wrote: One thing you might want to add, just to clarify utterly - that tattoo can be toggled so that it doesn't display. Â So a 1.0 character who was not at the battle - such as Tyriont - can choose not to have it ever display on their character.
Done! Thanks!
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Kellen whitewolf - 08-07-2013
Hey Aysun thank for the info this helps me alot
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Yini Kihn - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 02:01 PM)Nel Celestine Wrote: Great post. Should totally be stickied or something
I second this request. This is an excellent post!
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - Gerik - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 09:00 PM)Yini Kihn Wrote:(08-07-2013, 02:01 PM)Nel Celestine Wrote: Great post. Should totally be stickied or something
I second this request. This is an excellent post!
I also request that we pass this motion
RE: [Q&A] Legacy and non-Legacy: What does it all mean? - rynsan - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 09:00 PM)Yini Kihn Wrote:(08-07-2013, 02:01 PM)Nel Celestine Wrote: Great post. Should totally be stickied or something
I second this request. This is an excellent post!
Totally agreed with the above post. If not stickied, at least added to the RP handbook or a links list with a q&a section or something to help people locate it easily.
Well done and thank you Aysun for posting this out there!