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RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - SessionZero - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 10:31 AM)Virella Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 10:26 AM)SessionZero Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 09:51 AM)Gwen/Dinah Wrote: *shrugs* As others have said we'll be right back to where we were in 46 days after 3.1

This system would be exciting if there were restrictions in place to stop people from owning multiple properties.

Yeah, aside from the gil barrier, I don't see how this really helps that whole scam of people buying up multiple properties and selling them to people at outrageous markups. They should institute a system where a player can only own one house at a time (be it a FC house or private home).
Not sure if agree with that, think FCs leaders should be fucked over and having the option denied to have their own house. 

They basically already do. There is little to no difference between owning a FC house with your own private room and owning your own house. You can decorate both however you want. You are not beholden to your FC members to decorate your house a certain way. They are the exact same thing. Just in one instance other people can come in and fuck around regardless of lock settings as long as they have the same tag as you, and in the other instance people can only come in and fuck around if you leave your house unlocked.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Olofantur - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 10:41 AM)SessionZero Wrote: There is little to no difference between owning a FC house with your own private room and owning your own house.

Pending further housing changes in 3.1 that we'll find more out about at the live letter. (since supposedly they're introducing housing options for us private estate owners to share permissions with you landless peasants.)

So we might soon have Personal houses where people on your friends list, or in a specific friends group can be granted permissions to enter when its locked/use the facilities (another thing limited to the house owner currently)

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Virella - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 10:41 AM)SessionZero Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 10:31 AM)Virella Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 10:26 AM)SessionZero Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 09:51 AM)Gwen/Dinah Wrote: *shrugs* As others have said we'll be right back to where we were in 46 days after 3.1

This system would be exciting if there were restrictions in place to stop people from owning multiple properties.

Yeah, aside from the gil barrier, I don't see how this really helps that whole scam of people buying up multiple properties and selling them to people at outrageous markups. They should institute a system where a player can only own one house at a time (be it a FC house or private home).
Not sure if agree with that, think FCs leaders should be fucked over and having the option denied to have their own house. 

They basically already do. There is little to no difference between owning a FC house with your own private room and owning your own house. You can decorate both however you want. You are not beholden to your FC members to decorate your house a certain way. They are the exact same thing. Just in one instance other people can come in and fuck around regardless of lock settings as long as they have the same tag as you, and in the other instance people can only come in and fuck around if you leave your house unlocked.
Don't agree with that, FCs are a mutual effort in the end, not just some sole God who rules it. Would be very dickish if you treated your FC like that, but that is a completely different topic about morals and how to run a FC.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Oli! - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:11 AM)Virella Wrote: Don't agree with that, FCs are a mutual effort in the end, not just some sole God who rules it. Would be very dickish if you treated your FC like that, but that is a completely different topic about morals and how to run a FC.

Regardless of how one would treat their FC on an individual level, I believe they're talking about how it functions on a technical level. If there is no technical distinction as far as what is available to the player that owns the house in regards to Personal and FC housing, then they've merely made a factually correct statement.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Virella - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:15 AM)Oli! Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 11:11 AM)Virella Wrote: Don't agree with that, FCs are a mutual effort in the end, not just some sole God who rules it. Would be very dickish if you treated your FC like that, but that is a completely different topic about morals and how to run a FC.

Regardless of how one would treat their FC on an individual level, I believe they're talking about how it functions on a technical level. If there is no technical distinction as far as what is available to the player that owns the house in regards to Personal and FC housing, then they've merely made a factually correct statement.
True, but I still see a FC as a mutual effort, and hells, if someone can afford a personal house besides that? Who are we to say "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS" while SE makes it possible. Giving personal housing was stupid on SE part, but it is not as if they can revert their decision now. No need to get salty towards FC leaders who happen to have both now.
However people hoarding houses on alts ect to sell them off later for me, that's a thing what irritates me as well, but once more, flaw on SE side, not so much on the player.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Blue - 10-20-2015

While I'm happy, I am not totally satisfied (as if I ever am, lol). First of all I don't like that it's not retroactive, and even more that we got the information out a month ahead before the feature will actually be implemented, giving all those quitters a chance to come back just once to keep their unused house.

For the same reason, I am not too excited to see that house owners will receive multiple alerts. If a person needs so many alerts to keep a house, then they're really not using it enough to care and shouldn't own one to begin with (not when the housing supply satisfies only 2% of the players at least. This is really not the time to be greedy, and those who really use houses a lot should have priority/more chances to claim one over the patch-quitters).

Lastly, I don't particularly understand the 80% gil refund when SE insisted times and times again that housing is an intended gil sink. I think the possibility to get gil back will only encourage purchase from people who don't really want a house that much, whereas without a gil refund, one would think once or twice before making a purchase (especially when the purchase includes having to pay someone to leave, which is the absolute worst).

All in all, I'm glad to see unused houses empty, but with this much fore-warning, alerts and refund-incentives, I do wonder how many plots will actually free up... Certainly less than what we would've gotten if there had been no fore-warning.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Oli! - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:20 AM)Virella Wrote: if someone can afford a personal house besides that? Who are we to say "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS" while SE makes it possible. 

Players that pay for the game.

SE made it possible to keep houses indefinitely. We complained, and said "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS," and SE changed things accordingly.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Vyce - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:23 AM)Oli! Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 11:20 AM)Virella Wrote: if someone can afford a personal house besides that? Who are we to say "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS" while SE makes it possible. 

Players that pay for the game.

SE made it possible to keep houses indefinitely. We complained, and said "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS," and SE changed things accordingly.
THIS.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Virella - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:23 AM)Oli! Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 11:20 AM)Virella Wrote: if someone can afford a personal house besides that? Who are we to say "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS" while SE makes it possible. 

Players that pay for the game.

SE made it possible to keep houses indefinitely. We complained, and said "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS," and SE changed things accordingly.
Still nothing being changed about FC leaders owning their own personal house besides technically holding the FC house as well. Honestly, I have never ever seen anyone being mad about this back on my old server, but for people on Balmung being pissy about it due to us roleplayers putting so much more value on it.

And it is not as if they can be stopped if they would implement it, unless they would make it an account wide lock, seeming alts are a thing as well. People with lots of gil will always own houses one way or the other, but FCs being screwed over is regrettably, but think about it, how many FC leaders own a house besides their FC house? I know... one? It isn't going to solve anything but for pissing a few people off for the sake of a very few others on the large scale of things.

Start making gil, and you too can find your personal house until SE conjures up a better solution; this is but a step towards fixing it, but people who worked for their houses, why take it away from them?

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Vyce - 10-20-2015

Why don't you just live in the FC house like most other people? Why do you need an entire other house for your character to live in when your FC house has rooms available and as the leader you have all the control?

Seems pretty greedy. It's better to think of others. TBH, I'm of the opinion that housing should only belong to FCs anyway, because it's more beneficial to share than to hog an entire structure that could house 20 people all to yourself.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Blue - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:26 AM)Virella Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 11:23 AM)Oli! Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 11:20 AM)Virella Wrote: if someone can afford a personal house besides that? Who are we to say "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS" while SE makes it possible. 

Players that pay for the game.

SE made it possible to keep houses indefinitely. We complained, and said "NOPE CANNOT HAVE THIS," and SE changed things accordingly.
Still nothing being changed about FC leaders owning their own personal house besides technically holding the FC house as well. Honestly, I have never ever seen anyone being mad about this back on my older server, but for people on Balmung being pissy about it due to us roleplayers putting so much more value on it.

And it is not as if they can be stopped if they would implement it, unless they would make it an account wide lock, seeming alts are a thing as well. People with lots of gil will always own houses one way or the other, but FCs being screwed over is regrettably, but think about it, how many FC leaders own a house besides their FC house? I know... one? It isn't going to solve anything but for pissing a few people off for the sake of a very few others.

Start making gil, and you too can find your personal house until SE conjures up a better solution.

See but I think there is a particular detail that you are not considering here. FC leader can change. What if I bought a personal house, then my FC leader quitted and leadership passed on me?

"It wouldn't if they set it up that personal house owners couldn't get FC leadership/Create an FC."

What if all members left had their personal house? FC leadership has to go to someone.

So what happens then? Do I suddenly lose claim on my personal plot? Or do I become one of those rare exceptional FC leaders who have FC housing AND personal house? It simply cannot be set up that way, not when FC leadership can be passed over.

But the alts problem, that really should be addressed. But that's just as fickle as the other to set up, because SE cannot demonstrate which is your alt and which is your main, or if you play a character and some relative of yours plays an alt on the same account and wants their own house (even though the ToS say no one should play on the same account as another....).

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Virella - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:31 AM)Vyce Wrote: Why don't you just live in the FC house like most other people? Why do you need an entire other house for your character to live in when your FC house has rooms available and as the leader you have all the control?

Seems pretty greedy. It's better to think of others. TBH, I'm of the opinion that housing should only belong to FCs anyway, because it's more beneficial to share than to hog an entire structure that could house 20 people all to yourself.
Well you could put that logic to anyone who is in a FC "Why don't you just use your personal room? Why do you need your own house? Why don't you give it away to some FC? You selfish jerk!". It's a wee bit flawed, greedy or not, we can apply it to personal housing in general. I for one never think they should have allowed personal housing, or made a different system for it. Wildstar system for personal housing? Yes please!

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Kage - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:21 AM)Blue Wrote: All in all, I'm glad to see unused houses empty, but with this much fore-warning, alerts and refund-incentives, I do wonder how many plots will actually free up... Certainly less than what we would've gotten if there had been no fore-warning.
Because SE wants to keep their butts covered from the backlash of people who would say "BUT YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THIS WOULD HAPPEN!"

Now the only ones to blame are those who cannot make arrangements after being warned 1053159 (exaggerated sarcasm) times.

People have multiple houses for many reasons. If you have an FC house you make that for your FC. It's a collaboration. A group's home. Others want an actual home for their character. An FC house acts like a Headquarters. Do you expect the Avengers to only have that one HQ and not have their own homes? That's the same type of feeling.

What is not excused is to have the same account have more than 1 personal home on a world. I don't give a fuck if the FC has a house and people have homes outside of that.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Oli! - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:35 AM)Virella Wrote: Well you could put that logic to anyone who is in a FC "Why don't you just use your personal room? Why do you need your own house? Why don't you give it away to some FC? You selfish jerk!". It's a wee bit flawed, greedy or not, we can apply it to personal housing in general. I for one never think they should have allowed personal housing, or made a different system for it. Wildstar system for personal housing? Yes please!

It's not flawed because it's not an applicable comparison.

There are mechanical differences between rooms and houses, such as the inability to garden, or train chocobos.

The two are not, and will not be on equal enough footing for a comparison, until they are functionally identical.

RE: Reclamation of Inactive Housing (details) - Vyce - 10-20-2015

(10-20-2015, 11:42 AM)Oli! Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 11:35 AM)Virella Wrote: Well you could put that logic to anyone who is in a FC "Why don't you just use your personal room? Why do you need your own house? Why don't you give it away to some FC? You selfish jerk!". It's a wee bit flawed, greedy or not, we can apply it to personal housing in general. I for one never think they should have allowed personal housing, or made a different system for it. Wildstar system for personal housing? Yes please!

It's not flawed because it's not an applicable comparison.

There are mechanical differences between rooms and houses, such as the inability to garden, or train chocobos.

The two are not, and will not be on equal enough footing for a comparison, until they are functionally identical.
I train my Choco at the FC house. I'm sure I could garden if I wanted to.

I ICly acknowledge how bad the market is in Mist, and ICly have my ICly wealthy character living in an apartment in a manse because it's more economical than spending 25mil for a tiny house. He ICly is waiting for a foreclosure to get a house cheap, unless the system is changed or new houses are added, he will likely never buy one.

And even if house WERE added, we all know certain scum will try to buy as many of them as possible and claim all of the land in a matter of seconds.