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RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Vyce - 10-06-2015
You should also bear in mind that the Ishgardian Justice System is Halonic Trial by Combat. If any of your characters or associates are suspected, they will be forced into closed combat with highly trained soldiers.
Actual heretics are likely jailed pending execution. Iceheart could easily "prove her innocence" in combat, so in her case she'd likely just be executed.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Martiallais - 10-06-2015
I have a similar sort of instance in Mar's backstory (story/info TBA!). So by all means, go for it! I also ran with the whole 'there are more villages/places than seen ingame' aspect, but had it take place more within Coerthas than Ishgard proper.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Virella - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 10:15 AM)Vyce Wrote: You should also bear in mind that the Ishgardian Justice System is Halonic Trial by Combat. If any of your characters or associates are suspected, they will be forced into closed combat with highly trained soldiers.Yes, look at all those Ishgardians being flung of Witchdrop, all those trial by combat they had!
Actual heretics are likely jailed pending execution. Iceheart could easily "prove her innocence" in combat, so in her case she'd likely just be executed.
I really think you only get a trial by combat if you have the status for it, rest will just be flung off witchdrop or executed otherwise.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Solenne - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 06:27 AM)Zelmanov Wrote: Another, though probably much less dramatic route is having a mage in your employ who can teleport/return, he just takes them and YOINK!
Although, of course, some people refuse to even acknowledge teleporting, so meh
Erm, yeah, teleportation is a fraught subject. Like, it's definitely lore-compliant, but it's also such a cop-out that the lore conveniently forgets about it on a regular basis. I'm one of those who don't acknowledge it in RP.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Kage - 10-06-2015
Mmm I think a lot of the accused heretics just get sent to places like Witchdrop unless they have some good amount of pull. They might be able to use trial by combat or get the interrogations to stop [referencing Ser Yuhelmeric's father securing his wife's release from interrogations].
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Vyce - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 11:01 AM)Virella Douront Wrote:(10-06-2015, 10:15 AM)Vyce Wrote: You should also bear in mind that the Ishgardian Justice System is Halonic Trial by Combat. If any of your characters or associates are suspected, they will be forced into closed combat with highly trained soldiers.Yes, look at all those Ishgardians being flung of Witchdrop how much they had a trail by combat!
Actual heretics are likely jailed pending execution. Iceheart could easily "prove her innocence" in combat, so in her case she'd likely just be executed.
I really think you only get a trail by combat if you have the status for it, rest will just be flung off witchdrop or executed otherwise.
As I said, those suspected of being Heretics and those suspected of Heretic Sympathizing are likely treated differently. Tataru Taru has no status anywhere. She's a secretary. You could consider it a diplomatic triviality, but if you return to Dragonhead, those Witchdrop executions were performed by a vile and corrupt individual whose entire goal was death.
You can't compare that to actual Ishgardian Law
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - LiadansWhisper - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 10:13 AM)Coatleque Wrote: You are assuming said heretics -want- to be rescued. Â If a man is sick does he not seek to cure himself of the ailment? Â In the same way, if someone's mind is corrupted and his path goes astray, it is his responsibility to submit to judgement and PURGE the corruption from his very soul! Â Stop this madness and turn back now before you invoke the Fury's wrath! Â mua ha ha, hahahahahaaaaaaa!,Â
I think she's talking about people falsely accused of being heretics.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - LiadansWhisper - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 11:27 AM)Solenne Wrote:(10-06-2015, 06:27 AM)Zelmanov Wrote: Another, though probably much less dramatic route is having a mage in your employ who can teleport/return, he just takes them and YOINK!
Although, of course, some people refuse to even acknowledge teleporting, so meh
Erm, yeah, teleportation is a fraught subject. Like, it's definitely lore-compliant, but it's also such a cop-out that the lore conveniently forgets about it on a regular basis. I'm one of those who don't acknowledge it in RP.
Most of the time, when it's not being employed, it's not that they're forgetting about it, but rather, that they don't have time to use it. Teleportation does not work for quick escapes. Â It takes quite a while to get the spell done.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Val - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 11:27 AM)Solenne Wrote:(10-06-2015, 06:27 AM)Zelmanov Wrote: Another, though probably much less dramatic route is having a mage in your employ who can teleport/return, he just takes them and YOINK!
Although, of course, some people refuse to even acknowledge teleporting, so meh
Erm, yeah, teleportation is a fraught subject. Like, it's definitely lore-compliant, but it's also such a cop-out that the lore conveniently forgets about it on a regular basis. I'm one of those who don't acknowledge it in RP.
I admittedly feel the same way regarding teleportation. I'm not much a fan of cop-out services and devices that allow someone to easily escape, especially my own PC. That being said, I wanted to take the time to say that I love this idea! I have a character whose parents fled ishgard while his mother was pregnant with him, and I'd love for your group to have helped them take refuge
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - SicketySix - 10-06-2015
Teleportation sits kind of iffy with me as well.
Though if someone would use it during an rp I'd just shrug it off and keep going.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - LiadansWhisper - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 11:53 AM)SicketySix Wrote: Teleportation sits kind of iffy with me as well.
Though if someone would use it during an rp I'd just shrug it off and keep going.
Since they would have to stand there and focus completely on the spell for something like 10 minutes in order to actually teleport properly, I can completely understand.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - SicketySix - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 11:55 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(10-06-2015, 11:53 AM)SicketySix Wrote: Teleportation sits kind of iffy with me as well.
Though if someone would use it during an rp I'd just shrug it off and keep going.
Since they would have to stand there and focus completely on the spell for something like 10 minutes in order to actually teleport properly, I can completely understand.
In which case I'd probably get bored and start drinking or trying to punch out little Lalas
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Mae - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 11:43 AM)Vyce Wrote:I believe (I could be wrong) it was mentioned either during those MSQ events or in side-quests that popped up around that time that accused heretics being tossed off the cliff at Witchdrop was a "tradition" prior to Guillaume -- who was relatively new in Dragonhead and Whitebrim -- using it.(10-06-2015, 11:01 AM)Virella Douront Wrote:(10-06-2015, 10:15 AM)Vyce Wrote: You should also bear in mind that the Ishgardian Justice System is Halonic Trial by Combat. If any of your characters or associates are suspected, they will be forced into closed combat with highly trained soldiers.Yes, look at all those Ishgardians being flung of Witchdrop how much they had a trail by combat!
Actual heretics are likely jailed pending execution. Iceheart could easily "prove her innocence" in combat, so in her case she'd likely just be executed.
I really think you only get a trail by combat if you have the status for it, rest will just be flung off witchdrop or executed otherwise.
As I said, those suspected of being Heretics and those suspected of Heretic Sympathizing are likely treated differently. Tataru Taru has no status anywhere. She's a secretary. You could consider it a diplomatic triviality, but if you return to Dragonhead, those Witchdrop executions were performed by a vile and corrupt individual whose entire goal was death.
You can't compare that to actual Ishgardian Law
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Ashianna - 10-06-2015
I think this is a great character concept. While not directly involved in an "underground railroad" of sorts, my character helped another family that was close to her own escape when their father (not hers) was falsely accused some years ago. Their father didn't make it, but his wife and children did, due to the help of a secret few. In my story, those that helped were simply npcs, but perhaps when you have your backstory sorted out, we could say that your "group"/character was part of the secret few that helped.
My Elezen is a lesser noble from Ishgard who desires more to heal and help those in need in Ishgard than to be the proper noble daughter her father would like her to be. Feel free to drop me a line if you are interested at all.
RE: On Rescuing Heretics - Ishgard Lore Question - Vyce - 10-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 12:03 PM)Mae Wrote:Yes, but what about people that aid them? Fraternizers. People who might not necessarily share their views but have given them aid. Those who are accused of aiding them but not of holding their dangerous beliefs seem to be detained and tried. Guillaume likely denied many their right to trial and that was allowed by blind faith.(10-06-2015, 11:43 AM)Vyce Wrote:I believe (I could be wrong) it was mentioned either during those MSQ events or in side-quests that popped up around that time that accused heretics being tossed off the cliff at Witchdrop was a "tradition" prior to Guillaume -- who was relatively new in Dragonhead and Whitebrim -- using it.(10-06-2015, 11:01 AM)Virella Douront Wrote:(10-06-2015, 10:15 AM)Vyce Wrote: You should also bear in mind that the Ishgardian Justice System is Halonic Trial by Combat. If any of your characters or associates are suspected, they will be forced into closed combat with highly trained soldiers.Yes, look at all those Ishgardians being flung of Witchdrop how much they had a trail by combat!
Actual heretics are likely jailed pending execution. Iceheart could easily "prove her innocence" in combat, so in her case she'd likely just be executed.
I really think you only get a trail by combat if you have the status for it, rest will just be flung off witchdrop or executed otherwise.
As I said, those suspected of being Heretics and those suspected of Heretic Sympathizing are likely treated differently. Tataru Taru has no status anywhere. She's a secretary. You could consider it a diplomatic triviality, but if you return to Dragonhead, those Witchdrop executions were performed by a vile and corrupt individual whose entire goal was death.
You can't compare that to actual Ishgardian Law