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(02-01-2015, 10:45 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: I'll try to keep my response short.Â
The primals have been summoned more than 3 times.
They're not the Warriors of Light, nor do they ever intend to be.
SE directly stated normal people can defeat primals. ...just....not as 8 individuals.
IIRC, I believe their method is an anti-tempering device, although I've seen people be tempered in RP before. Sure, it's minorly lore-breaking, but not the first time. I've seen other people used deaspected crystals as an anti-tempering method as well, assuming the crystals would soak up the energy or something.
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More importantly, calm down. Nobody is asking you to RP it. You don't have to accept it. If someone wants to RP with a lore-acceptable workaround for fighting a primal, let them. It's not going to cause another Calamity.
I'm going to admit I didn't read all of the initial post, but I think I got enough from the title and skimming through. But Franz pretty much summed up everything I was thinking meanwhile.
For my personal testament, my company has ICly fought Leviathan. It was a forced summon of Leviathan in his weakest state. It was a group of eight (in the actual dungeon) with reinforcements from the rest of the company nearby who fought off the Sahagin. We're a company of adventurers, mind you. The company ICly worked for weeks to create a one-use item to help stave off Tempering, and the leader of the expedition had the Echo, regardless, even if no others did. While no one died or received serious permanent damage (save for someone losing an eye and the functionality of his arm, whoops, but that's only partially related), everyone was left nearly dead, and though they slayed Leviathan, it was hardly a victory considering they were too weakened to.... stop the things that occurred afterward on the shore.
We're not the Warriors of Light. We don't all have the Echo or are magically unable to be Tempered. It was not an easy fight for anyone, and they company essentially only fought a Primal in its weakest and least fledged form. This is not something we typically bring up in RP outside our FC--you probably won't find anyone ranting about this heroic tale in the Quicksand. It was a plot solely for our company--no one else on the server need be involved, no one the company, even, who was not interested had to participate. If you don't want to take this as canon, that's fine, because it matters little in anything but our own FC plot line.
I don't see the harm in this, really. It's not like someone just killed the Emperor of Garlemald. Primals aren't a one-time thing. They keep coming back, and not always at the same degree of strength. The Company of Heroes may be the strongest and most celebrated heroes of Eorzea, but otherwise they're pretty normal dude and they still also prove you don't have to be "THE main character" to take on the Primals. Warriors of Light and those with the Echo can understandably seem a little Sue-ish, but ultimately, canonically there are PLENTY of them so there's nothing inherently wrong with playing as one of those many people.
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