Hydaelyn Role-Players
Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Printable Version

+- Hydaelyn Role-Players (https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/mybb18)
+-- Forum: Community (https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/mybb18/forumdisplay.php?fid=8)
+--- Forum: RP Discussion (https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/mybb18/forumdisplay.php?fid=13)
+--- Thread: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring (/showthread.php?tid=9508)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Zyrusticae - 01-03-2015

Yeah, in all honesty the only Lala halfbreeds would probably have the Lala as the father far more often than not. The mothers are just too bloody small to the point where even their own children are an unreasonably large proportion of their size (especially considering their heads).

That being said... no, Roegadyns being physically large does not necessarily mean their penis size scales in proportion to their bodies. Gorillas have notoriously small penises, for example, relative to their body mass (1.5 inches!). It could very well be that they are no larger there than an ordinary human being. I would still recommend she not attempt to sire children regardless...

(Also, there is porn of this)

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 05:12 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Yeah, in all honesty the only Lala halfbreeds would probably have the Lala as the father far more often than not. The mothers are just too bloody small to the point where even their own children are an unreasonably large proportion of their size (especially considering their heads).

That being said... no, Roegadyns being physically large does not necessarily mean their penis size scales in proportion to their bodies. Gorillas have notoriously small penises, for example, relative to their body mass (1.5 inches!). It could very well be that they are no larger there than an ordinary human being. I would still recommend she not attempt to sire children regardless...

(Also, there is porn of this)

Huh... if that's the case with male Roes, no wonder so many female Roes are lesbian.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Mae - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 04:48 PM)Kage Wrote: People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.
Let's upgrade the chihuahua to a pug... downgrade the great dane to a pitbull...


[Image: Lex_Nadine_Summer-1024x768.jpg]

... Still looks like it'd be an uncomfortable situation...

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kismet - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 04:48 PM)Kage Wrote: People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

[Image: sugar-glider.jpg]

I'm sorry. I'm just kidding, honest.

(01-03-2015, 05:03 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: Either way, a Lala taking a Roe dick up the butt would just split the Lala in half, or at least cause internal bleeding.

XDDDDD

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Blue - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 03:05 PM)Ckayah Polaali Wrote: There's nothing that really seems to indicate that Keepers are monogamous, though. Keeper males are supposed to be rare, so why wouldn't they be used to being passed around to other females (case #1 there), while cases #2 and #3 the Keeper female isn't seeing anything too different than what they're used to.

The large cultural differences in my mind are the nocturnal/diurnal split between the two. A Seeker man who joins a Keeper clan to be with the woman he loves would mostly be giving up his beloved sun, while a Keeper woman who joined a Seeker tribe to be with the man she loved would likewise lose the night that she is used to.

I probably shouldn't step on this topic again, but I can always hope reactions won't be as flaming as the last time this point was argued, can I?

Quote:Unlike the Seekers of the Sun, the Keepers of the Moon is a highly matriarchal society, with family names passed down from the mother, not the father.
Quote:The Keepers of the Moon lead more solitary lives, rarely forming communities of more than two or three families. This gives them a tighter knit society and to form closer relationships but makes them less of a tribe and more of an extended family like a clan.
Quote:Simply put, Keepers of the Moon are somewhat more independent and matriarchal, hence they don't actually form tribal groups like we Sunseekers do, but instead prefer small family groups.
Quote:Keepers of the Moon are more loners and live in small family units, at most in gatherings of 2-3 families. They are a matriarchal society, and follow bloodlines through the mother.

With all this, I'm trying to point out that, first of all the term "Keeper clan" is not something that really came from the lore, but a small plothole-filling/lorebending that the vast majority of the RP community accepted and adopted (personally I prefer to still use "family" until anything is given, but I'm not going to avoid/despise those who RP Keeper clans).

Secondly that, given the multiple times it is specified that Keepers are more of a loner type, live in smaller families, and have closer relationships seems more than enough hits of a monogamous lifestyle. Polygamous relationships are not considered "close" (in fact, they are often pointed to be "unlike the Seekers of the Sun" in this way).

In short, I think what SE wanted to do was make Seekers similar to Lions in type of society, and as such have their mating traditions, while the Keepers would be more similar to nocturnal feline hunters, like panthers, tigers and the like, who prefer to have one mate instead.

EDIT: A small addition so I do not come out as an hypocrite: I realize I am "reading signs" about Keeper's monogamy just how people are about Keeper's clans, so I do not feel people must take my stance as a dogma, much how I do not take Keeper clans as a dogma myself. In the end, it's all plotholes and until they're filled, we're free to see what we find more reasonable in them. In short, I simply think that there are more hints of monogamy than there are of polygamy in what little information we know of the Keepers. *flaps white flag*

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kage - 01-03-2015

I just want to tell theincubuslord that now I'm thinking of
Show Content
while even thinking of how things work.

T_T

But I agree it's most likely that where a Lala and a Roe were actually together it was definitely a Male Lalafell and a female Roe.

Then again, you have that one lalafell who goes "Take me Raubahn I am your sultana!"

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 07:11 PM)Kage Wrote: I just want to tell theincubuslord that now I'm thinking of
Show Content
while even thinking of how things work.

T_T

But I agree it's most likely that where a Lala and a Roe were actually together it was definitely a Male Lalafell and a female Roe.

Then again, you have that one lalafell who goes "Take me Raubahn I am your sultana!"

XD
Yes, exactly that.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kinono - 01-03-2015

I'm disappointed in, like, half of you.

This entire thread just makes me /straightface.

But not the neutral straight face.

Just a straight face of vague disappointment.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 09:46 PM)Kinono Wrote: I'm disappointed in, like, half of you.

This entire thread just makes me /straightface.

But not the neutral straight face.

Just a straight face of vague disappointment.

What for? Tongue

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kinono - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 09:53 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: What for? Tongue

Undecided

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 10:05 PM)Kinono Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 09:53 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: What for? Tongue

Undecided

Is it the part that people don't think Lalas are sexy?
Or maybe because people don't think it appropriate to crossbreed Lalas with other races?

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - C'kayah Polaali - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 06:30 PM)Blue Wrote: Stuff about Keepers

I'll readily admit that the word "clan" isn't in lore. I'm just using it to refer to these groupings of families, as a way of keeping them distinct from Seeker tribes.

However! I don't see why Keepers being matriarchal or "groups of families" organized would imply monogamy. Keeper males are rare (I can't remember where, but I read something where the ratio was somewhere between 1:5 and 1:20), so a purely monogamous Keeper family would have to have a ton of children to make up for all the females who wouldn't be having kids at all.

An easy alternative that springs to mind might be that a clan (i.e.: a group of families) would be 3-4 families of females and their offspring, with one or two males associated. It could either be polygynous (a number of females all share one male as their group husband), or polygamous (where each female has one or more males).

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - C'kayah Polaali - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 07:11 PM)Kage Wrote: I just want to tell theincubuslord that now I'm thinking of
Show Content
while even thinking of how things work.

T_T

But I agree it's most likely that where a Lala and a Roe were actually together it was definitely a Male Lalafell and a female Roe.

Then again, you have that one lalafell who goes "Take me Raubahn I am your sultana!"

Looking at dogs (where you can have some pretty serious size differences), there's usually not too many problems if the father is bigger than the mother. If it's an extreme difference, then there can be birth complications, but they're still viable with veterinary assistance. Lalafell have been civilized for a very long time (lore hints at Ul'dah being old), so I don't see why their medical skill wouldn't be able to cope with it.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kinono - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 10:20 PM)C Wrote: Looking at dogs (where you can have some pretty serious size differences), there's usually not too many problems if the father is bigger than the mother. If it's an extreme difference, then there can be birth complications, but they're still viable with veterinary assistance. Lalafell have been civilized for a very long time (lore hints at Ul'dah being old), so I don't see why their medical skill wouldn't be able to cope with it.

I wonder how likely cesarian section-style births are? Given the prevalence of preventative and responsive healing magics... Given the right people with the right skills in the right location, I could see this being "common enough."

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Mae - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 10:17 PM)C Wrote: Keeper males are rare (I can't remember where, but I read something where the ratio was somewhere between 1:5 and 1:20), so a purely monogamous Keeper family would have to have a ton of children to make up for all the females who wouldn't be having kids at all.
This is actually kind of how I imagined things to go >_>

The Matriarch is the only one who has children, and she keeps having children until she has at least one son (or at least a son and a daughter, on the chance she has a son first). Having a son is what guarantees the next generation, and she will trade sons with an unrelated/distant Matriarch so she'll have an unrelated male to 'give' to the daughter that succeeds her. Remaining daughters are encouraged to stay around to act as a court to the new Matriarch, but no-one really keeps them from wandering off to possibly find a 'free' male or whatever (less competition/opportunities to backstab). If a Matriarch dies before her mate and before she has a viable successor, one of her sisters can claim the now-free male and become the new Matriarch.

... I guess in a way what I was picturing was a sort of reverse of what the Seekers have when it comes to breeding rights -- a Keeper Matriarch is like a Nuhn, and all her sisters/daughters are like Tias. Since the breeding pool consists of one male, it -is- a monogamous relationship. There's just potential that a male could have multiple partners over the course of his breeding life because he got traded to a family that is prone to drama and backstabbing >_>