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RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Naunet - 01-03-2015

I'm with Zyrusticae on the possibility of hybrids with lalafell. All the playable races we have are "races of Man", which suggests they're very closely related, genetics-wise. Any rarity in hybrids I think would more likely be a result of cultural differences and geographic isolation than anything.

I can understand people having some sort of gut rejection of lalafell getting it on with other races, because they likely have some instinctive vision of lalafell as children, which ups the "ew no" factor. But... they're lalafell! Not children. Think of them like the chihuahua or the corgi or whatever of the "races of Man" world.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - C'kayah Polaali - 01-03-2015

(01-02-2015, 05:38 AM)Blue Wrote: While genetically possible, I think the major halt to cross-clan offspring among the Miqo'te is their huge difference in culture. Sure, there are individuals who are exceptions and stray from their clan's traditions (and a large % of roleplayers like to be that "special exception", I've found), but commonly, Seekers of the Sun are a patriarchal, tribal culture, while Keepers of the Moon are matriarchal and live in small families. The lore also says that both clans have an insular mentality and tend to live among their own kin rather, trying to avoid the other races.

But to go back to the inter-clan mating, I think a woman coming from a matriarchal structure and a male from a patriarchal one would be in heavy conflict, as both consider themselves the "leader" of the family. The same also goes if they were of opposite genders.

Seeker Female: Hey love, my sister also wants a child. I'm gonna call her over to mate with ya.
*the Keeper male flees*

Seeker Male 1: Hey, I'll be back in a hour or two, okay? Another female in my tribe wants a child and I'm their Nuhn.
*the Keeper female begins to seek ways to break Eternal Bond*

Seeker Male 2: Okay, now that I have you, I think I am officially no longer a Tia. We'll need to find more females.
*the second Keeper female seeks the first Keeper female to know how to break Eternal Bond*

So yeah... Hybrids are possible, but likely very rare because it's rare to find parents not influenced by their clan's mentality.

But again, you'll find that most of the RPers out there like to be "the rare case". So go on ahead.

There's nothing that really seems to indicate that Keepers are monogamous, though. Keeper males are supposed to be rare, so why wouldn't they be used to being passed around to other females (case #1 there), while cases #2 and #3 the Keeper female isn't seeing anything too different than what they're used to.

The large cultural differences in my mind are the nocturnal/diurnal split between the two. A Seeker man who joins a Keeper clan to be with the woman he loves would mostly be giving up his beloved sun, while a Keeper woman who joined a Seeker tribe to be with the man she loved would likewise lose the night that she is used to.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - C'kayah Polaali - 01-03-2015

(01-02-2015, 01:43 PM)Kage Wrote: It is my belief that one of the biggest issues is the fact that many races seemed to have a bit of a warring problem. one specific menton were the Hyur v Elezen being at war.

Yeah, you see that all the time in real life. "You're marrying a yankee? What sort of Southerner are you?" Laugh

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Mae - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 06:25 AM)Kismet Wrote: But nothing with Lalafell, because... No.
If we had another small race, I wouldn't have a problem with the concept; Lala's aren't some weird race that stays children forever. But as they are right now, I picture a Lala carrying a pureblood Lala baby the same way a kiwi carries an egg before laying it:

[Image: Kiwi_Bird_-_Largest_Eggs_05_resize%20(Small).JPG]
Doyouseehowinsanelygiantthateggiscomparedtotherestofthebird?! 

Yes, they've evolved to handle birthing something that proportionally big, but I can't see how they'd handle something bigger due to breeding with a larger race without complications. And, dear gods, think about Lala's having twins (or more!) with that sort of proportion..!

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kismet - 01-03-2015

I never thought cross-race breeding to be impossible with the Lalafell. (Edit: For the record, nor did I mean to imply that I was seeing them as eternal children or anything... so let's just toss that notion out.)

I am merely concerned with possible structural complications... Laugh

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Mae - 01-03-2015

EDIT: Ugh, give me a minute... bumpy road made my mouse move to where it could click 'post' before I was ready....
EDIT TO THE EDIT: Okay, all done now.
EDIT TO THE EDIT TO THE EDIT: ... forgot a few words. I shouldn't be posting when I have a migrane...

(01-03-2015, 02:53 PM)Naunet Wrote: I can understand people having some sort of gut rejection of lalafell getting it on with other races, because they likely have some instinctive vision of lalafell as children, which ups the "ew no" factor. But... they're lalafell! Not children. Think of them like the chihuahua or the corgi or whatever of the "races of Man" world.
My "ew no" factor is actually more like this:

[Image: 070405_mini_mutts_vlrg_12p.grid-6x2.jpg]

Pretend the chihuahua is a Lala female, and the great dane is a Roegadyn (switching the Lala to a corgi is only -slightly- better). Or that a english setter is a Miqo'te. The size difference is where the problem is. Actual act of mating aside, cross-breed/cross-species sort of heavily infers that the resulting offspring are going to have features of both parents, and size is a feature.

GRANTED... there probably are chihuahua/great dane crosses out there, but they're cases where the male was the chihuahua and and either either got the great dane when she was sitting/laying down, or used a step ladder. Either way, the experience was probably akin to throwing a hotdog down a hallway. And to go the other way (female chihuahua/male great dane) would be irresponsible for a breeder to attempt and for a vet to not suggest to terminate the pregnancy -- the health risks are too high for the dam.

(01-03-2015, 03:12 PM)Kismet Wrote: I never thought cross-race breeding to be impossible with the Lalafell. (Edit: For the record, nor did I mean to imply that I was seeing them as eternal children or anything... so let's just toss that notion out.)

I am merely concerned with possible structural complications... Laugh
My bad, I added in the eternal children thing because another post went in while I was slowly typing and I was referring to that as well.

And, yes... structural complications..! I spit my drink halfway across the truck when I looked at that picture!

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kismet - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 03:40 PM)Mae Wrote: [Image: 070405_mini_mutts_vlrg_12p.grid-6x2.jpg]

Pretend the chihuahua is a Lala female, and the great dane is a Roegadyn (switching the Lala to a corgi is only -slightly- better). Or that a english setter is a Miqo'te. The size difference is where the problem is.

Omg, I'm dying. XDDD

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

I apologize beforehand for the crudeness of my post:

I can understand some interracial mating between the races of Hydaelyn. But the whole Lala x Roe thing... A male Roe's penis would be the size of a Lala... How would it work? And a male Lala's penis wouldn't satisfy a female Roe at all, unless there's something completely wrong with the male Lala.

The Lalafells are simply too different from the rest of the races for it to actually work, due to their very small size.

That said, any sexual or romantic interaction between a Lala and any person of the other races, that's completely up to you. You just need to be a bit more creative though, as genitalia penetration in hopes of procreation isn't something that would be possible.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Naunet - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 04:31 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: A male Roe's penis would be the size of a Lala... How would it work?

[Image: 83672]

o.o I certainly hope not.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 04:36 PM)Naunet Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 04:31 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: A male Roe's penis would be the size of a Lala... How would it work?

[Image: 83672]

o.o I certainly hope not.

It would indeed be like a third leg. Wink

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Katherine Vokare - 01-03-2015

There is always the "I don't have to explain anything, it's magic, yo!" response. I've played games where, regardless of differences, people have tried to make it work whether it'd be plausible or not.

Potions
Magic
Natural Phenomenon

I agree that it'd be difficult/impossible for a Lala/Roe but Miqo'te are suppose to be a rare race and instead they're the most populous and I haven't seen anyone bat an eyelash at that.
It doesn't matter to me what people want to Roleplay as long as they aren't forcing their beliefs onto others so let the Lala/Roe relationships thrive and the Miqo'te continue to breed like bunnies.

Thumbsup

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Kage - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 03:07 PM)C Wrote:
(01-02-2015, 01:43 PM)Kage Wrote: It is my belief that one of the biggest issues is the fact that many races seemed to have a bit of a warring problem. one specific menton were the Hyur v Elezen being at war.

Yeah, you see that all the time in real life. "You're marrying a yankee? What sort of Southerner are you?" Laugh

I joke with a lot of friends about this but... Asians are extremely racist. Especially to each other. My parents -hated- that I used to watch a lot of Japanese competitive cooking shows or even showed a small interest in Mahjong. It became a day's long lecture once. As Taiwanese, some mainlanders give me the stink eye. One of the first things Chinese people tend to ask is "Mainland? Taiwan? Hong Kong?"

People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 04:48 PM)Kage Wrote: People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

Well, you know its exaggerations, so of course it should be taken with a grain of salt. People use exaggerations to pull a point through, that's just the way it is.

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - C'kayah Polaali - 01-03-2015

(01-03-2015, 04:48 PM)Kage Wrote:
(01-03-2015, 03:07 PM)C Wrote:
(01-02-2015, 01:43 PM)Kage Wrote: It is my belief that one of the biggest issues is the fact that many races seemed to have a bit of a warring problem. one specific menton were the Hyur v Elezen being at war.

Yeah, you see that all the time in real life. "You're marrying a yankee? What sort of Southerner are you?" Laugh

I joke with a lot of friends about this but... Asians are extremely racist. Especially to each other. My parents -hated- that I used to watch a lot of Japanese competitive cooking shows or even showed a small interest in Mahjong. It became a day's long lecture once. As Taiwanese, some mainlanders give me the stink eye. One of the first things Chinese people tend to ask is "Mainland? Taiwan? Hong Kong?"

Sure, but you also see a lot of Asians in relationships with non-Asians. It's not necessarily common, but it's certainly not unheard of. I think that's the same sort of thing you see in Eorzea with cross-"species" relationships. Not common, but not unheard of, either.

(01-03-2015, 04:48 PM)Kage Wrote: People also need to stop exaggerating (a little) the sizeable differences between a Roe and Lalafell. Yes there's a very big difference but some examples have been ridiculous.

Agreed! While the size difference between a Roegadyn and a Lalafell is a little more extreme than the size difference between Peter Dinklage and his wife, it's in the same ballpark. And the Dinklage-Schmidts seem to do juuuuust fine!

RE: Cross-species / Cross clans offspring - Cailean Lockwood - 01-03-2015

Either way, a Lala taking a Roe dick up the butt would just split the Lala in half, or at least cause internal bleeding.