(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

(04-13-2015, 05:46 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

Well, you are already limited by the game itself simply because the character creation (and thus, your in-game representation of any given character) is also limited, so I would question a premise like that right off the bat simply for lack of tools with which to do so.

But yes, obviously there is a sliding scale for this sort of thing. The more outrageous you go, the harder it is to get anyone to buy in to the premise. In this case, however, your hyperbole does you little credit as obviously no one would ever even attempt that in the first place. I see your point but it will never happen, and anyone in their late teens (the much more common scenario) is, quite frankly, enough of an adult that I can see it happening even if it is rather unlikely.

At any rate, you might change your mind if you actually read such an amazing story with a series of events crafted in such a way that you cannot help but accept that the way things turned out are the way they should have been - could have been, even. The fact that you reject the idea simply means that this has yet to happen. A shame, but I'll not lose any sleep over it (more because I'm not the one who needs to please you more than anything).

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread... :lol:

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters. :)

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

(04-13-2015, 05:58 PM)Spiritual Machine Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

You undermined your philosophy when you exaggerated--such a thing would be inconceivable to execute compellingly and is therefore a bad example. 

(04-13-2015, 11:42 AM)Steel Wolf Wrote:   A Top Gun Dragoon

(04-13-2015, 05:46 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

Well, you are already limited by the game itself simply because the character creation (and thus, your in-game representation of any given character) is also limited, so I would question a premise like that right off the bat simply for lack of tools with which to do so.

But yes, obviously there is a sliding scale for this sort of thing. The more outrageous you go, the harder it is to get anyone to buy in to the premise. In this case, however, your hyperbole does you little credit as obviously no one would ever even attempt that in the first place. I see your point but it will never happen, and anyone in their late teens (the much more common scenario) is, quite frankly, enough of an adult that I can see it happening even if it is rather unlikely.

At any rate, you might change your mind if you actually read such an amazing story with a series of events crafted in such a way that you cannot help but accept that the way things turned out are the way they should have been - could have been, even. The fact that you reject the idea simply means that this has yet to happen. A shame, but I'll not lose any sleep over it (more because I'm not the one who needs to please you more than anything).

(04-13-2015, 06:25 PM)☆Flynt Reddard☆ Wrote: I can't believe I'm going to make this comparison but the New Goons in Ishgard are literally



Maybe this is why there's an impulsive dislike toward them.

(04-13-2015, 06:29 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: I don't speak animu, Flynt. {Please use the autotranslate feature.}

(04-13-2015, 05:46 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

Well, you are already limited by the game itself simply because the character creation (and thus, your in-game representation of any given character) is also limited, so I would question a premise like that right off the bat simply for lack of tools with which to do so.

But yes, obviously there is a sliding scale for this sort of thing. The more outrageous you go, the harder it is to get anyone to buy in to the premise. In this case, however, your hyperbole does you little credit as obviously no one would ever even attempt that in the first place. I see your point but it will never happen, and anyone in their late teens (the much more common scenario) is, quite frankly, enough of an adult that I can see it happening even if it is rather unlikely.

At any rate, you might change your mind if you actually read such an amazing story with a series of events crafted in such a way that you cannot help but accept that the way things turned out are the way they should have been - could have been, even. The fact that you reject the idea simply means that this has yet to happen. A shame, but I'll not lose any sleep over it (more because I'm not the one who needs to please you more than anything).

That's definitely stopped people from playing children before.

Oh wait.

...no it hasn't.

(04-13-2015, 06:02 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 05:58 PM)Spiritual Machine Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.

You undermined your philosophy when you exaggerated--such a thing would be inconceivable to execute compellingly and is therefore a bad example. 

Exaggerated yes, but the point pretty much stays the same. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should be done)

(04-13-2015, 02:41 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote: If we are to make a big deal out of this, then we should feel the same about the little 19yr female miqo crime boss that sips tea in the Quicksand all night talking about how deadly she is. (you know who you are)

(04-13-2015, 05:13 PM)Casden Reeves Wrote:

(04-13-2015, 02:06 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Ageism in full effect in this thread...

Just gonna say, I really, really do not give two craps about what ages people give their characters (and this I say as someone playing a warrior who's approaching middle age). There are all kinds of issues you run into when you're so concerned with what's 'plausible' and what isn't in the context of a fictional universe. Some things are reasonable - the laws of physics and how aether works and whatnot are all requred to keep things working and everyone running on the same playing field. On the other hand, if someone wants to play a young prodigy I see little to gain from preventing them from doing so outside of satisfying your own (ageist) snobbery. Like I keep saying, it's all about execution: someone who is such a genius in martial arts would undoubtedly have other issues - including issues from other, older peers who exhibit behavior towards them that is undoubtedly similar to some of the attitudes you see on here towards younger, hyper-competent characters.

Ultimately, I think throwing things out based on premise is a really poor practice that needs to stop sooner than later. You miss out on a lot of cool stuff if you ignore things just because the premise sounds boring or overwrought or outrageous to you. You never know when you're going to be surprised. This is especially important because there is only a limited palette to draw from to create any particular premise, hence it all comes down to execution in the end. We draw from the same sources to recreate the same stories over and over again, but the way those stories are told can change dramatically between tellings, and one telling can resonate with one person far better than it does another.

Agree to disagree. I could write a compelling piece on how my 2yr old defeated Eorzea's best at the Grindstone, but that still doesn't make it plausible, even if it was executed properly.

Exaggerated for effect.