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Re: Art Discussion - Kylin - 01-06-2013

This discussion went downhill rather quickly >.>.

No need to up and leave the community over something as minor as this disagreement. I know you've been here technically since before launch, Shawnzy. This seems like a rather impulsive move based purely on anger over differing views. Throwing away a lot of potentially good future interactions (IC and OOC alike) over something so small doesn't seem like the right move to me and I hope you reconsider. But if you don't change your mind, sorry to see you go.

Also, the sig is really unnecessary...

Re: Art Discussion - Folken - 01-06-2013

It's fine. I point out someone stealing and imitating someone else's artwork and that makes me the bad guy. That's fine, that's the kind of community this seems to be. It's good to know where this place stands on the issue.

I'll just be sure not to bring any of my own artwork around these parts, lest it be stolen, modified, or imitated.

And I feel my sig is quite justified, other people should be made aware of this forum's stance towards plagiarism.

Re: Art Discussion - Aysun - 01-06-2013

Oh my. O_o

I just.. don't even know where to start. I don't support plagiarism and am offended that I'm grouped in with such things just because I am a member of this site. As an innocent bystander, I'd appreciate not being labeled as someone who supports such things. Cry

Re: Art Discussion - Nel Celestine - 01-06-2013

I guess then Shawnzy, by the look of this topic I should stop all my attempts to draw because I use other people's art as guide lines and tutorials. Cry So much for self improvement. Sad

Re: Art Discussion - Folken - 01-06-2013

Nel Celestine Wrote:I guess then Shawnzy, by the look of this topic I should stop all my attempts to draw because I use other people's art as guide lines and tutorials. Cry So much for self improvement. Sad

Do what you want. People aren't grasping the conceptual difference between referencing and literally copying another person's work.

Re: Art Discussion - Aysun - 01-06-2013

Seeing the side-by-sides make me a bit curious myself, because while I use references too, this does seem a bit.. odd. The entire outfit, even the folds in the fabric, are mirrored.

I think tracing/copying things is a great way to learn and figure out things, but I wouldn't post those anywhere and claim they're my art or anything..

Re: Art Discussion - Eva - 01-06-2013

Mtoto said on two separate posts (earlier in this thread so I shall not link) that it wasn't done. Are artists not allowed to use reference pieces for their work?

Moreover you came here and attacked an artist's in-progress work and the methods used. Maybe you should reserve judgment until the piece is finished before drawing upon yourself such ire from the rest of the community.

Also taking a few opinions that differ from your own and lumping them together as the entirety of the forum is a rather hasty generalization and makes for a poor argument.

Re: Art Discussion - Folken - 01-06-2013

Eva Wrote:Mtoto said on two separate posts (earlier in this thread so I shall not link) that it wasn't done. Are artists not allowed to use reference pieces for their work?

Moreover you came here and attacked an artist's in-progress work and the methods used. Maybe you should reserve judgment until the piece is finished before drawing upon yourself such ire from the rest of the community.

Also taking a few opinions that differ from your own and lumping them together as the entirety of the forum is a rather hasty generalization and makes for a poor argument.

I used the "in-progress" piece as the example because it was the first I came upon the original source of the art. Given time, I'm sure I could track down all the other sources to other finished pieces, and then we'd see just how much has changed, but I doubt much would be different save for faces.

Once again, people seem to not be able to separate the difference between referencing and copying.

Re: Art Discussion - Yssen - 01-06-2013

Gonna pick up a metric and make sure it is all 44% different? Have fun with that. Way farther than I'd go to win/not back down from and argument. Perhaps the energy you are putting into the process of argument could be more productively channeled.

Re: Art Discussion - Aysun - 01-06-2013

Really Shawnzy, I think the reason everyone's all siding with Mtoto on this is how you brought this up and how you attacked the community over the actions of one person. It could have been handled better, is all. It doesn't mean anyone here supports what Mtoto did.

Re: Art Discussion - Eva - 01-06-2013

I'm not denying that this particular piece is a copy. The folds of the clothing and the shadowing is too similar for that to be coincidental. But it's also not a finished piece. If you find one that's finished where this has taken place, than I'd say you have much more right to be upset.

What concerns me more than anything is that you have come here and attacked the work immediately without offering any constructive insights until much later, then ignored the couple of times it was said to be an incomplete work, and went on to denounce the entire RPC in your signature block because the argument got split from that thread so as not to pollute the gallery.

From where I stand, that makes you look a bit like a troll.

Re: Art Discussion - Folken - 01-06-2013

Yssen Wrote:Gonna pick up a metric and make sure it is all 44% different? Have fun with that. Way farther than I'd go to win/not back down from and argument. Perhaps the energy you are putting into the process of argument could be more productively channeled.

There's nothing to win. I've already provided the proof. There is no argument to be won or lost here. But go ahead, please. The more people who make me the bad guy, the more my signature becomes an accurate portrayal of this community.



Aysun Wrote:Really Shawnzy, I think the reason everyone's all siding with Mtoto on this is how you brought this up and how you attacked the community over the actions of one person. It could have been handled better, is all. It doesn't mean anyone here supports what Mtoto did.

Look at the posts I made above. And tell me when I started attacking the community? I posted a picture, and a face, Mtoto took that as me attacking them, when merely I was simply pointing out plagiarism, I didn't even say a word, the picture spoke for itself. Then mtoto tried to justify themselves, to which I formed a rebuttal.

Then it was the community defense force that came in, so any further rebuttal from me towards the community is entirely in self defense. I was reasonable, I did not insult anyone directly, only tried to point out the plagiarism that was taking place. So now, since a vocal brunt of the community has apparently taken up arms against me, so be it. They have displayed a side of this community which I do not agree with.

Re: Art Discussion - Aysun - 01-06-2013

No no, when it became you attacking the community is when you grouped us all into a lump of plagiarism-supporters with your signature. Like I originally posted, I don't support what Mtoto did at all, yet I'm included in your signature and you're reading my posts like I'm being hostile with you as well when I'm trying to explain why they're upset with you.

Re: Art Discussion - Folken - 01-06-2013

Eva Wrote:I'm not denying that this particular piece is a copy. The folds of the clothing and the shadowing is too similar for that to be coincidental. But it's also not a finished piece. If you find one that's finished where this has taken place, than I'd say you have much more right to be upset.

What concerns me more than anything is that you have come here and attacked the work immediately without offering any constructive insights until much later, then ignored the couple of times it was said to be an incomplete work, and went on to denounce the entire RPC in your signature block because the argument got split from that thread so as not to pollute the gallery.


It's quite a convenient excuse "It's not finished yet." But let's take a look at other work in progresses the party has posted. How many of those have changed substantially from their WiP post, to their finished piece. The answer: not much at all. So it stands to reason that even though the piece in question was still "in progress" there is little to support the claim that it would change entirely from the whole character wardrobe or completely re-working the pose.

I'm not a corrections officer, it isn't my job to provide "constructive insights". How many times do you see something wrong and simply don't just blow the whistle, but instead teach the person doing the wrong what they could do better in the future. Me doing so later was a generous extra on my part to try and provide a better understanding of what I was talking about.


Quote:From where I stand, that makes you look a bit like a troll.
You're welcome to think that. The insulting assumption is duly noted.

Re: Art Discussion - Folken - 01-06-2013

Well, this should be the coup de grâce.

Mtoto Wamoto Wrote:First finished piece!

[img=center]http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/004/8/5/athumani_ashur_by_aristotleami-d5q1ah0.png[/img]

[Image: 6ci1N.jpg]
I'm done here. Here's your proof.