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RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Cassandra - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:27 PM)Arrelaine Wrote:(05-19-2017, 02:25 PM)Kage Wrote: A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players.And if we keep refusing to balance ourselves out, it will happen. At that point, they probably won't even give incentives, maybe reimbursements on housing, but they'll just dump us all in a server.
This is a doom and gloom perspective. They are not going to essentially pick people at random and force them off Balmung. It's practically guaranteed to be a financial loss as a good chunk of those players will quit. If my friends and I were all split apart with no way of transferring to one server in particularly, I'd unsub immediately. All they will do is keep Balmung locked indefinitely.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Kage - 05-19-2017
I think it is actually a very low possibility and even lower likelihood of them splitting worlds but they do leave that option open in their Worlds Transfer page. As you said though, it is more likely that Balmung will just stay closed until it gets closer to the soft limits.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Val - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:32 PM)Cassandra Wrote:(05-19-2017, 02:27 PM)Arrelaine Wrote:(05-19-2017, 02:25 PM)Kage Wrote: A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players.And if we keep refusing to balance ourselves out, it will happen. At that point, they probably won't even give incentives, maybe reimbursements on housing, but they'll just dump us all in a server.
This is a doom and gloom perspective. They are not going to essentially pick people at random and force them off Balmung. It's practically guaranteed to be a financial loss as a good chunk of those players will quit. If my friends and I were all split apart with no way of transferring to one server in particularly, I'd unsub immediately. All they will do is keep Balmung locked indefinitely.
Pretty much. It's a win-win for SE. People will threaten to quit and just not. Their forum posts will be ignored and they'll eventually shut up. The server will stay locked. The ones that do quit? They're solving the issue anyway. Others that willingly transfer also help, so one way or another SE gets what they want and people will just have to accept that.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Fox - 05-19-2017
I think they're trying to avoid having to split the worlds so thus closing. Though if there's a clause it's a possibility. But for the time being we should still try to do our best to help others find a place they can call home.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Virella - 05-19-2017
We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - LiadansWhisper - 05-19-2017
"We" who have no plans​ to leave, however, should not be the ones making such a decision.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Nodem - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:40 PM)Virella Wrote: We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.
Then they'll tag a different server and go, "Here's your RP server." Then you'll still need to transfer off Balmung.
Remember this is from their business PoV of wanting the servers even on the graph above. So having a mass exodus of people from Balmung would be the pipe dream for them.
In this scenario, people still wouldn't leave Balmung, and we'd begin the cycle anew with wanting Balmung listed as a RP server.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Val - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:40 PM)Virella Wrote: We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.
It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.
There should never, ever be an in-all plan. If anything, hope they listen, but plan for a secondary course of action in case they don't.
EDIT: And like Nodem just mentioned above, they'd make everyone transfer and I highly doubt they'd transfer housing over. So people would lose/stand to lose their stuff if they don't jump on it immediately.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Virella - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:52 PM)Val Wrote:That's the thing though, they need to handle it delicately.(05-19-2017, 02:40 PM)Virella Wrote: We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.
It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.
There should never, ever be an in-all plan. If anything, hope they listen, but plan for a secondary course of action in case they don't.
EDIT: And like Nodem just mentioned above, they'd make everyone transfer and I highly doubt they'd transfer housing over. So people would lose/stand to lose their stuff if they don't jump on it immediately.
If there was an official RP server released? I'd very most likely head there. Especially if Balmung remained locked. Mostly because unlike what we are trying to achieve here by shouting were to go, people will probably, highly likely, still be shattered all over the place and nothing will come of it.
I feel if they released a RP server, people would slowly start coming over there. With those tiny self proclaimed servers? Not so much.
Ultimately I also feel, while everyone is trying to make Balmung the boogieman, trying to throw the burden onto the roleplayers here, those small communities should step up. And some have! But they also should decide were to redirect people to. Because I feel it would be lot better to redirect people to one server instead of six.
But us Balmung people? We aren't on those small communities. How can we tell what's better? I only had experience with one EU one, and I didn't like it. People were friendly, but it wasn't what I wanted.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Momo - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:41 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: "We" who have no plans​ to leave, however, should not be the ones making such a decision.
I think it is the responsibility of the community as a whole as much as we can make it, to decide on further action. It was done once, and it may be harder now, that is true, but it can be done, and it can be helped by those already here.
One day in a few years, that may be some our new homes too depending on how all the chips fall, and I would like to have a hand in holding it afloat for that reason alone.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - ArmachiA - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:25 PM)Kage Wrote: A forced split of Balmung would be a horrible fucking outcome for players. I would love to make sure this is not a world we go to.
This isn't an unheard of scenario either, FFXI forced a split on it's biggest server when it got too congested. Players woke up one day on a completely different server than their friends. It's not above SE to do this.
I don't see them adding another world to the Aether datacenter, but I wouldn't be surprised if they offered a free transfer to one of the lower populated worlds there. If they were smart they WOULD just tag an "unused" world the RP server, but that's a highly unlikely hypothetical.
I'm concerned for both sides of the fence here.
Balmung being locked (And probably locked for awhile, we need to stop saying it's going to be only a month or two, it's not. We all know it's not. Balmung is in dire straights, it's going to be longer) risks Balmung dying as a server due to people quitting and no one new coming in. That's the truth. That's the reality. We'll see a bunch of old blood come back for StormBlood, then people will get bored and quit - and MORE people will follow. No reason for it, that's just how MMOs are. People don't stick around. They have other things to do. SE is choking Balmung and promising it can breath again later. It may be dead by the time that happens. That sounds dramatic, but it is a risk.
A new server has the disadvantage of not being well known and no one really deciding what the new server IS. Mataeus is being pushed here but I keep seeing Siren pushed on the official forums. The so-called leaders of each server need to get together and talk about what they are doing so new people feel comfortable rolling in one of the "Wild West" servers. The RPC can help, a lot actually, if we throw are weight behind one server, but we can also look like we're playing favorites too. If we don't care about how it looks, I'd recommend just throwing our weight behind something. Still, the truth is, most people know Balmung as the RP server. They want to be on Balmung. They don't to help build a community, they want to be in one already established. Harsh, but true. People are just more comfortable that way. That gives any server a disadvantage, especially if people treat it as "I'll just roll here till Balmung opens up". Gilgamesh gave it a good go, but thanks to leadership falling into drama (Which is why I recommend NOT HAVING A CENTRALIZED LEADERSHIP) everyone just transferred to Balmung. It's going to be hard to make it successful without some bitterness.
It's just so much balls that people have to decide things RIGHT NOW because of what SE did.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Val - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 03:03 PM)Virella Wrote:(05-19-2017, 02:52 PM)Val Wrote:That's the thing though, they need to handle it delicately.(05-19-2017, 02:40 PM)Virella Wrote: We convinced them to add the RP tag. That was nothing compared to the uproar being caused now. They may just listen.
It's possible, but that's been something that was talked about/wanted for well over a year. It's entirely possible that they may listen, but expecting them to I think is where people's fallacy lies.
There should never, ever be an in-all plan. If anything, hope they listen, but plan for a secondary course of action in case they don't.
EDIT: And like Nodem just mentioned above, they'd make everyone transfer and I highly doubt they'd transfer housing over. So people would lose/stand to lose their stuff if they don't jump on it immediately.
If there was an official RP server released? I'd very most likely head there. Especially if Balmung remained locked. Mostly because unlike what we are trying to achieve here by shouting were to go, people will probably, highly likely, still be shattered all over the place and nothing will come of it.
I feel if they released a RP server, people would slowly start coming over there. With those tiny self proclaimed servers? Not so much.
Ultimately I also feel, while everyone is trying to make Balmung the boogieman, trying to throw the burden onto the roleplayers here, those small communities should step up. And some have! But they also should decide were to redirect people to. Because I feel it would be lot better to redirect people to one server instead of six.
But us Balmung people? We aren't on those small communities. How can we tell what's better? I only had experience with one EU one, and I didn't like it. People were friendly, but it wasn't what I wanted.
I agree. I don't think they are capable of handling anything delicately (especially if it's in corporate SE's hands), but a great deal of caution does need to be taken. If there were an official RP server, I'd prolly bail too assuming my partner was willing to do the same and the transfers were free.
But I also think if Balmung remains locked long enough and people roll alts/go to one of those alt servers (preferably the one with the biggest community), it has a chance to thrive. It'll still be split, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.Â
I say that because with a lot of people comes many personalities, and they tend to clash pretty often. I don't think a week has gone by on Balmung that didn't involve some major drama, and some people could stand to be separated tbh.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Val - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 03:08 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: Balmung being locked (And probably locked for awhile, we need to stop saying it's going to be only a month or two, it's not. We all know it's not. Balmung is in dire straights, it's going to be longer) risks Balmung dying as a server due to people quitting and no one new coming in. That's the truth. That's the reality. We'll see a bunch of old blood come back for StormBlood, then people will get bored and quit - and MORE people will follow. No reason for it, that's just how MMOs are. People don't stick around. They have other things to do. SE is choking Balmung and promising it can breath again later. It may be dead by the time that happens. That sounds dramatic, but it is a risk.
This will, without a doubt, happen, but I don't think it's the end of the world. When enough people quit/bail they'll likely open the server back up and the congestion will be solved. Yes, it could take a while, but I wager people will be too busy doing expansion things/playing with friends they already have to really notice.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Virella - 05-19-2017
Drama will follow wherever roleplayers go though. That's sort of the circle of life for MMO RP.
RE: Balmung Transfer Restriction Megathread - Val - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 03:14 PM)Virella Wrote: Drama will follow wherever roleplayers go though. That's sort of the circle of life for MMO RP.
Oh, without a doubt. But I've never seen a community thrive on it so much as this one. There's always going to be drama, not just in RP, but in MMOs in general. It's the nature of getting people together. But roleplayers are particularly.. uh. Passionate. About things, and are quick to snap at others (as we've witnessed over the past couple of days). Separating that/its people can only be good for the mental stability of the community itself imo.