Question
"Does it matter what chakra the other monks have when you fight them? If a chakra 13 monk fights a chakra 5 monk of the opposite sect, does it still open? I AM SO CURIOUS"Show Content
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O’tchakha: Recently, I have focused on opening light-aspected chakra. Of my own aspect, I have succeeded in opening but six. I am no match for Master H'raha Tia.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
They still can yes!
However it was considered an well-guarded secret. Why? I only got guesses.
Maybe it was a way to ensure that the Shadow and Light sect Monks constantly didn’t go actively for one another’s throats and ensure stability with the new-found privileges and powers the Light Sect Monks gotten in Ala Mhigo due to aligning with the royal house.
Perhaps they only permitted ‘Masters’ to face one another due to honour. Because let’s face it, there’s no honour in beating a wee apprentice with 1 meager chakra to shreds while you got 10.
Or perhaps it was just a way to assert power over the Shadow Sect in the eyes of the Light Sect. Light Sect did afterall boot out the Shadow Sect.
Perhaps it was a way to control the Shadow Sect with rules?
O’tchakha: Those who had opened all seven of their native chakra were permitted to duel those who had achieved the same in the opposing aspect.
O’tchakha: For generations, such duels were held in great secrecy.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
I really don’t know why it was a well-guarded secret. Only thing I can sort of vague guess that probably consciously engaging in said battles would probably would be disrespectful to the ‘old ways’. Permission appeared to be needed and most likely piss quite off the Monks who upheld this tradition with honour; even if we don’t know the exact reason why this tradition was held up.
I’m not even sure if this tradition will be enforced with the ‘new’ Monks. I really can’t tell! Knowing how the storyline goes? I’m suspected that will be a central theme of the Fists, the harmony and balance being restored between the two sects split off due to their disagreement about aligning themselves with the Royal House. So this tradition might just be tossed aside. I really don’t know! I’m merely making guesses here ultimately.
Okay sorry for going a bit off topic there! Hope it helped.
O’tchakha: Recently, I have focused on opening light-aspected chakra. Of my own aspect, I have succeeded in opening but six. I am no match for Master H'raha Tia.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
They still can yes!
However it was considered an well-guarded secret. Why? I only got guesses.
Maybe it was a way to ensure that the Shadow and Light sect Monks constantly didn’t go actively for one another’s throats and ensure stability with the new-found privileges and powers the Light Sect Monks gotten in Ala Mhigo due to aligning with the royal house.
Perhaps they only permitted ‘Masters’ to face one another due to honour. Because let’s face it, there’s no honour in beating a wee apprentice with 1 meager chakra to shreds while you got 10.
Or perhaps it was just a way to assert power over the Shadow Sect in the eyes of the Light Sect. Light Sect did afterall boot out the Shadow Sect.
Perhaps it was a way to control the Shadow Sect with rules?
O’tchakha: Those who had opened all seven of their native chakra were permitted to duel those who had achieved the same in the opposing aspect.
O’tchakha: For generations, such duels were held in great secrecy.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
I really don’t know why it was a well-guarded secret. Only thing I can sort of vague guess that probably consciously engaging in said battles would probably would be disrespectful to the ‘old ways’. Permission appeared to be needed and most likely piss quite off the Monks who upheld this tradition with honour; even if we don’t know the exact reason why this tradition was held up.
I’m not even sure if this tradition will be enforced with the ‘new’ Monks. I really can’t tell! Knowing how the storyline goes? I’m suspected that will be a central theme of the Fists, the harmony and balance being restored between the two sects split off due to their disagreement about aligning themselves with the Royal House. So this tradition might just be tossed aside. I really don’t know! I’m merely making guesses here ultimately.
Okay sorry for going a bit off topic there! Hope it helped.
Monk Question 2!
"I figure I can answer this by just finally getting my monk to 60 (and I want to before Stormblood anyway) but what are the differences between how light sect opens chakra and shadow does wol kinda magically open all through feel good story powers of being>"Show Content
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Nothing at the core. They are the same as your light sect chakras. They aren’t negative, they aren’t positive, they are just the opposite aspect of your chakras. The harmony and balance between the two sects is a massive theme during the questline. Strike thoughts of negativity away; shadow aligned chakras are not evil, nor do they make you behave evil.
O’tchakha: Yours is the sect of light, and ours shadow. We are two sides of the same coin.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67563/let’s+talk+about+sects
Shadow sect chakras are not negative. Shadow Sect Monks are not inheritely evil. They just had clash over allying themselves with the ruling Royal House of Ala Mhigo.
Erik: Now, it is common knowledge that the Fist of Rhalgr rose to the zenith of its power by virtue of royal endorsement. Lesser known is the dispute which broke out over this arrangement between two factions within the Fist─the sect of light and the sect of shadow.
Erik: The head priest of the sect of light believed that an alliance with the royal house of Ala Mhigo was the key to prosperity. However, his counterpart in the sect of shadow disagreed, warning that it would lead to their undoing. History has proven them both right. But I digress.
Erik: So, in the past, the two sects both belonged to the Fist of Rhalgr, and their disciples trained beside one another as comrades. And yet, though the techniques they employed were identical, the manner in which they harnessed energy was opposed in nature. It was this difference which gave rise to two aspects of chakra.
Erik :There is a tradition wherein monks from the two schools would meet each other in single combat. In attacking you, I posit that the disciples of shadow are seeking to recreate this tradition.
Erik: This clashing of light and shadow quickened the aether within, causing a chakra of the opposing aspect to open within them. In simple terms for your simple minds, disciples of light fought to open shadow-aspected chakra, and disciples of shadow fought to open light-aspected chakra.
Erik: And the implications of this? There are not seven, but fourteen chakra all told. Yes, yes, two sides of the same coin; where there is light, there is shadow, and all that poetic tripe.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67564/against+the+shadow
Opening your other sect was only allowed if you had all chakras open of said sect already. It was probably a well-guarded secret only the elder Fist knew, given Widargelt did not know of it.
Otchakha: In the beginning, members of the Fist of Rhalgr strove to open all fourteen chakra─seven of light and seven of shadow.
Otchakha: Those who had opened all seven of their native chakra were permitted to duel those who had achieved the same in the opposing aspect.
Otchakha :For generations, such duels were held in great secrecy.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
TLDR: Warrior of Light is being forced into combat with other Monk. Only certain way to open is to murder a (probably fully unlocked) other sect Monk. It is meant to (have been) a well-guarded secret, if not deemed sacred probably.
Permission of duelling other (fully unlocked) sect Monks was needed.
Shadow Chakras are not negative.
The difference between Shadow and Light sect is caused due a disagreement about an alliance with the Royal House! Politics and all that.
Monks who act like dicks do it because they are dicks. Not because of some chakra voodoo at this current point and time.
Hope that helped.
Nothing at the core. They are the same as your light sect chakras. They aren’t negative, they aren’t positive, they are just the opposite aspect of your chakras. The harmony and balance between the two sects is a massive theme during the questline. Strike thoughts of negativity away; shadow aligned chakras are not evil, nor do they make you behave evil.
O’tchakha: Yours is the sect of light, and ours shadow. We are two sides of the same coin.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67563/let’s+talk+about+sects
Shadow sect chakras are not negative. Shadow Sect Monks are not inheritely evil. They just had clash over allying themselves with the ruling Royal House of Ala Mhigo.
Erik: Now, it is common knowledge that the Fist of Rhalgr rose to the zenith of its power by virtue of royal endorsement. Lesser known is the dispute which broke out over this arrangement between two factions within the Fist─the sect of light and the sect of shadow.
Erik: The head priest of the sect of light believed that an alliance with the royal house of Ala Mhigo was the key to prosperity. However, his counterpart in the sect of shadow disagreed, warning that it would lead to their undoing. History has proven them both right. But I digress.
Erik: So, in the past, the two sects both belonged to the Fist of Rhalgr, and their disciples trained beside one another as comrades. And yet, though the techniques they employed were identical, the manner in which they harnessed energy was opposed in nature. It was this difference which gave rise to two aspects of chakra.
Erik :There is a tradition wherein monks from the two schools would meet each other in single combat. In attacking you, I posit that the disciples of shadow are seeking to recreate this tradition.
Erik: This clashing of light and shadow quickened the aether within, causing a chakra of the opposing aspect to open within them. In simple terms for your simple minds, disciples of light fought to open shadow-aspected chakra, and disciples of shadow fought to open light-aspected chakra.
Erik: And the implications of this? There are not seven, but fourteen chakra all told. Yes, yes, two sides of the same coin; where there is light, there is shadow, and all that poetic tripe.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67564/against+the+shadow
Opening your other sect was only allowed if you had all chakras open of said sect already. It was probably a well-guarded secret only the elder Fist knew, given Widargelt did not know of it.
Otchakha: In the beginning, members of the Fist of Rhalgr strove to open all fourteen chakra─seven of light and seven of shadow.
Otchakha: Those who had opened all seven of their native chakra were permitted to duel those who had achieved the same in the opposing aspect.
Otchakha :For generations, such duels were held in great secrecy.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
TLDR: Warrior of Light is being forced into combat with other Monk. Only certain way to open is to murder a (probably fully unlocked) other sect Monk. It is meant to (have been) a well-guarded secret, if not deemed sacred probably.
Permission of duelling other (fully unlocked) sect Monks was needed.
Shadow Chakras are not negative.
The difference between Shadow and Light sect is caused due a disagreement about an alliance with the Royal House! Politics and all that.
Monks who act like dicks do it because they are dicks. Not because of some chakra voodoo at this current point and time.
Hope that helped.
Monk Chakra Question
"Are monk chakras in FFXIV more like you gaining a power level or does each chakra have a specific type like in Buddism/Hinduism? The lore book has surprisingly little about them."Show Content
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First of all… excuse me for the amount of lore I’m going to toss towards you, because I love Monks and I got a hard time staying with the bare minimum. I’ve tried to cut down as much as I could, but this only skirts past the bare minimum on FFXIV’s chakras.
And for the sake of it, a photo of the lorebook’s information on chakras, because no doubt more people will read this!
But yes! They are power levels.
In the Questline, the Monks involved, while brave, know they might easily die still three against one, despite the WoL being ‘only’ one chakra less than H’raha Tia.
O’tchakha: You are our best hope, . Even so, you are still one chakra short of fourteen─a small yet decisive difference.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
O’tchakha: Thus far, you have opened thirteen chakra─the most of us three. But one more, and you could face H'raha Tia as an equal…
Widargelt: Â Remember my words. All our chakra may not be open. But we have each other. Together, we can defeat H'raha Tia. We can rescue D'zentsa.
And when you open your final chakra, D’zentsa states this.
D’zentsa: That’s the only explanation! Which means that ’s now an equal with H'raha Tia!
http://xivdb.com/quest/67567/appetite+for+destruction
Even one Chakra difference can make the difference between two Monks. So yes. Seats of Power as they are described in the official Job description sums it up perfectly.
Now for the other question regarding Buddhism and Hinduism.
Chakras are best are inspired by the real life version. But they are NOT a copy paste of them.
The real life chakras, while the Fist’s chakras are inspired by them, aren’t a direct copy Why? For one Monks don’t have, beyond enraging while losing control over said chakras, any indication about emotions being connected.
The chakras are not named. They don’t have anything emotion in the lore connected to them. They are merely described as giving power.
Next to that? The real life chakras have lower and upper body based ones. The lorebook speaks of valves and on top of that chakras are duel aspected (honestly my best GUESS is umbral/astral aspected aether).
Now people think this is all new information that chakras are dual aspected when the lorebook came out? I can assure you, it isn’t! It was in the game all along.
O’tchakha: Yours is the sect of light, and ours shadow. We are two sides of the same coin.
https://www.xivdb.com/quest/67563/let’s+talk+about+sects
Erik: And the implications of this? There are not seven, but fourteen chakra all told. Yes, yes, two sides of the same coin; where there is light, there is shadow, and all that poetic tripe.
https://www.xivdb.com/quest/67564/against+the+shadow
On top of that, the two schools of Monk employ the exact same techniques. Their chakras don’t make them fight differently either.
Erik: So, in the past, the two sects both belonged to the Fist of Rhalgr, and their disciples trained beside one another as comrades. And yet, though the techniques they employed were identical, the manner in which they harnessed energy was opposed in nature. It was this difference which gave rise to two aspects of chakra.
If anything? Chakras have more a Yin/Yang feel to them. They are not evil nor good. Nothing states Light sect or Shadow sect chakras are evil. They are still the same chakra, just another aspect of it opens up when unlocking it.
(On top of that. Light sect Monks were massive dickbags towards the Shadow Sect Monks and the citizens of Ala Mhigo according to the hints we’ve gotten. But that’s a discussion for another time.)
Emotions and Chakras: the Real Life Chakra Confusion Saga Continues
Now the pitfall what gets people confused and making them believe they are real life chakras. Widargelt’s 1.0 50 ending and the 50 ARR ending. Somehow people see the fact Widargelt wants to kill you as the ultimate proof. But I’m here to disapprove that.
This is the blurb people often claim to be evidence.
You arrive at Silvertear Falls only to find you are too late. Widargelt has already opened his seventh chakra, and with his newfound powers summarily annihilated a number of Garlean soldiers. The power flowing through his chakra is too great, however, and he has lost control over it. Defeat him to quell the rampant energy surging through him.
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Return_of_the_King…of_Ruin
Widargelt: So close… Why? Why will you not yield your power? For the greater good…
Widargelt: Stay back! This power…is mine!
Widargelt: The others of Eorzea ignore our suffering. Why should I care for their lives? Why should I care for yours?
Widargelt: I must have that power. I must protect my people.
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Return_of_the_King…of_Ruin/Plot_Details
They don’t go into emotions in the quests. They state he lost control over his powers. Not of his emotion directly. Surely him being upset about the situation he is in does not help the slightest. But it is not the chakra who forces him into doing this. That is still a fate by his own making. If he wasn’t emotionally unstable to begin with, he would have never lost control.
That said… He already appeared to be emotionally unstable before he even grasped the 7th chakra. He wanted to do whatever for Ala Mhigo before we get to the final quest. Killing you was an unfortunate but necessary thing in his eyes.
Widargelt: If this way is lost to me… No. No, I will have this power. I must!
Widargelt: An end to oppression. An end to starvation. Ala Mhigo will be made free. I will see it done!
Widargelt: Forgive my speech. It is a matter close to my heart.
https://www.xivdb.com/quest/66599/a+slave+to+the+aether
Also! The English version of the quest leaves this out, don’t ask me why, but in the German version of the Questline, you rat out Widargelt to Erik. While he explicitly told you not to. You betray him. He has a very good reason to be angry with you to begin with.
Widargelt: Und erzähl ihm nichts von dem, was ich dir anvertraut habe!
What translates to:
Widargelt: “And can you not tell him what I’ve entrusted you.â€
http://de.xivdb.com/quest/66599/auf+der+suche+nach+macht
And then the first thing the Warrior of Light does right after in the next quest? Rat him out.
On top of that? For all we know a three chakra Monk might lose control have the same issues as Widargelt had. After all, Widargelt tells you in the German quest, after opening your first chakra, he tells you you need control as well.
Widargelt: Allerdings hast du deine Chakren nur für einen winzigen Augenblick angezapft. Du musst nun lernen, sie frei und ungezwungen zu steuern.
What roughly translates to:
Widargelt: However, you have tapped your chakras only for a tiny moment. You must now learn to control them and steer them freely
http://de.xivdb.com/quest/66597/brother+from+another+mother
So basically. Losing control over a chakra when emotionally unstable? You have to deal with rampant aether who needs to be taken care of (seemingly by combat).
He also doesn’t truly enrage. He doesn’t suddenly kill the other Ala Mhigan quest NPCs involved either.
But the it is not the chakra’s fault. It is the Monk being emotionally unstable to begin with. Control over oneself is the key here. Chakras don’t give you emotions. Emotions give you emotions. Losing control over your emotions while dealing with opening chakras can result in rampart aether what needs to be dealt with; because you are in no state to control said aether.
And Widargelt just needed to have sense slapped back into him.
They are just valves in the body. Nothing else ultimately. Once more: Emotions give you emotions. Not chakras.
TLDR: Chakras are powerlevels. Chakras are vaguely inspired on real life chakras. But they don’t have anything to do with emotions, nor do they have anything to do with lower and upper body chakras in real life. They are valves within the body aspected to both the Shadow and Light. While they skirt on some aspects of certain real life religions, they aren’t a copy either.
Next to that… the philosophy of the Fist of Rhalgr has nothing to do with Buddhism or Hinduism. But that’s a discussion for another time.
And yes, the other languages are so much better on lore :L They speak of Ki-Energy as well. But I will… make a long post on that some other time.
And who knows, things might get flipped upside down coming expansion.
Hope it was helpful!
First of all… excuse me for the amount of lore I’m going to toss towards you, because I love Monks and I got a hard time staying with the bare minimum. I’ve tried to cut down as much as I could, but this only skirts past the bare minimum on FFXIV’s chakras.
And for the sake of it, a photo of the lorebook’s information on chakras, because no doubt more people will read this!
But yes! They are power levels.
In the Questline, the Monks involved, while brave, know they might easily die still three against one, despite the WoL being ‘only’ one chakra less than H’raha Tia.
O’tchakha: You are our best hope, . Even so, you are still one chakra short of fourteen─a small yet decisive difference.
http://xivdb.com/quest/67565/fight+the+battle+to+win
O’tchakha: Thus far, you have opened thirteen chakra─the most of us three. But one more, and you could face H'raha Tia as an equal…
Widargelt: Â Remember my words. All our chakra may not be open. But we have each other. Together, we can defeat H'raha Tia. We can rescue D'zentsa.
And when you open your final chakra, D’zentsa states this.
D’zentsa: That’s the only explanation! Which means that ’s now an equal with H'raha Tia!
http://xivdb.com/quest/67567/appetite+for+destruction
Even one Chakra difference can make the difference between two Monks. So yes. Seats of Power as they are described in the official Job description sums it up perfectly.
Now for the other question regarding Buddhism and Hinduism.
Chakras are best are inspired by the real life version. But they are NOT a copy paste of them.
The real life chakras, while the Fist’s chakras are inspired by them, aren’t a direct copy Why? For one Monks don’t have, beyond enraging while losing control over said chakras, any indication about emotions being connected.
The chakras are not named. They don’t have anything emotion in the lore connected to them. They are merely described as giving power.
Next to that? The real life chakras have lower and upper body based ones. The lorebook speaks of valves and on top of that chakras are duel aspected (honestly my best GUESS is umbral/astral aspected aether).
Now people think this is all new information that chakras are dual aspected when the lorebook came out? I can assure you, it isn’t! It was in the game all along.
O’tchakha: Yours is the sect of light, and ours shadow. We are two sides of the same coin.
https://www.xivdb.com/quest/67563/let’s+talk+about+sects
Erik: And the implications of this? There are not seven, but fourteen chakra all told. Yes, yes, two sides of the same coin; where there is light, there is shadow, and all that poetic tripe.
https://www.xivdb.com/quest/67564/against+the+shadow
On top of that, the two schools of Monk employ the exact same techniques. Their chakras don’t make them fight differently either.
Erik: So, in the past, the two sects both belonged to the Fist of Rhalgr, and their disciples trained beside one another as comrades. And yet, though the techniques they employed were identical, the manner in which they harnessed energy was opposed in nature. It was this difference which gave rise to two aspects of chakra.
If anything? Chakras have more a Yin/Yang feel to them. They are not evil nor good. Nothing states Light sect or Shadow sect chakras are evil. They are still the same chakra, just another aspect of it opens up when unlocking it.
(On top of that. Light sect Monks were massive dickbags towards the Shadow Sect Monks and the citizens of Ala Mhigo according to the hints we’ve gotten. But that’s a discussion for another time.)
Emotions and Chakras: the Real Life Chakra Confusion Saga Continues
Now the pitfall what gets people confused and making them believe they are real life chakras. Widargelt’s 1.0 50 ending and the 50 ARR ending. Somehow people see the fact Widargelt wants to kill you as the ultimate proof. But I’m here to disapprove that.
This is the blurb people often claim to be evidence.
You arrive at Silvertear Falls only to find you are too late. Widargelt has already opened his seventh chakra, and with his newfound powers summarily annihilated a number of Garlean soldiers. The power flowing through his chakra is too great, however, and he has lost control over it. Defeat him to quell the rampant energy surging through him.
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Return_of_the_King…of_Ruin
Widargelt: So close… Why? Why will you not yield your power? For the greater good…
Widargelt: Stay back! This power…is mine!
Widargelt: The others of Eorzea ignore our suffering. Why should I care for their lives? Why should I care for yours?
Widargelt: I must have that power. I must protect my people.
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Return_of_the_King…of_Ruin/Plot_Details
They don’t go into emotions in the quests. They state he lost control over his powers. Not of his emotion directly. Surely him being upset about the situation he is in does not help the slightest. But it is not the chakra who forces him into doing this. That is still a fate by his own making. If he wasn’t emotionally unstable to begin with, he would have never lost control.
That said… He already appeared to be emotionally unstable before he even grasped the 7th chakra. He wanted to do whatever for Ala Mhigo before we get to the final quest. Killing you was an unfortunate but necessary thing in his eyes.
Widargelt: If this way is lost to me… No. No, I will have this power. I must!
Widargelt: An end to oppression. An end to starvation. Ala Mhigo will be made free. I will see it done!
Widargelt: Forgive my speech. It is a matter close to my heart.
https://www.xivdb.com/quest/66599/a+slave+to+the+aether
Also! The English version of the quest leaves this out, don’t ask me why, but in the German version of the Questline, you rat out Widargelt to Erik. While he explicitly told you not to. You betray him. He has a very good reason to be angry with you to begin with.
Widargelt: Und erzähl ihm nichts von dem, was ich dir anvertraut habe!
What translates to:
Widargelt: “And can you not tell him what I’ve entrusted you.â€
http://de.xivdb.com/quest/66599/auf+der+suche+nach+macht
And then the first thing the Warrior of Light does right after in the next quest? Rat him out.
On top of that? For all we know a three chakra Monk might lose control have the same issues as Widargelt had. After all, Widargelt tells you in the German quest, after opening your first chakra, he tells you you need control as well.
Widargelt: Allerdings hast du deine Chakren nur für einen winzigen Augenblick angezapft. Du musst nun lernen, sie frei und ungezwungen zu steuern.
What roughly translates to:
Widargelt: However, you have tapped your chakras only for a tiny moment. You must now learn to control them and steer them freely
http://de.xivdb.com/quest/66597/brother+from+another+mother
So basically. Losing control over a chakra when emotionally unstable? You have to deal with rampant aether who needs to be taken care of (seemingly by combat).
He also doesn’t truly enrage. He doesn’t suddenly kill the other Ala Mhigan quest NPCs involved either.
But the it is not the chakra’s fault. It is the Monk being emotionally unstable to begin with. Control over oneself is the key here. Chakras don’t give you emotions. Emotions give you emotions. Losing control over your emotions while dealing with opening chakras can result in rampart aether what needs to be dealt with; because you are in no state to control said aether.
And Widargelt just needed to have sense slapped back into him.
They are just valves in the body. Nothing else ultimately. Once more: Emotions give you emotions. Not chakras.
TLDR: Chakras are powerlevels. Chakras are vaguely inspired on real life chakras. But they don’t have anything to do with emotions, nor do they have anything to do with lower and upper body chakras in real life. They are valves within the body aspected to both the Shadow and Light. While they skirt on some aspects of certain real life religions, they aren’t a copy either.
Next to that… the philosophy of the Fist of Rhalgr has nothing to do with Buddhism or Hinduism. But that’s a discussion for another time.
And yes, the other languages are so much better on lore :L They speak of Ki-Energy as well. But I will… make a long post on that some other time.
And who knows, things might get flipped upside down coming expansion.
Hope it was helpful!
Suspected Chakra Locations
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This nerd found out while playing around with Mantra that these might be the chakra locations, or at least some of them!
This nerd found out while playing around with Mantra that these might be the chakra locations, or at least some of them!