Asyria Wrote:It all goes down to two situations... And I'm not sure which you're all talking about but I think you all misunderstood what I said.
Situation A: Crafter's mats. The buyer pays gil. The crafter makes the item. If the item IS better then itis WORTH more. Simple, reasonable, logical. Calling it a scam is BS. As I said above however, an honorable crafter will offer the HQ item for a higher price AND offer to make another non-HQ item at the agreed price. If they're out of mats, tough luck... Keep in mind the Crafter gains nothing if they don't make the sale due to the item becoming too expensive. And if they do make the sale, then the buuyer paid more but also GOT more.
Advice: If you want to avoid surprises, ask the crafter to not make it HQ (spamming rapid will avoid it).
Situation B: Buyer's mats. The buyer pays by providing the mats (usually +tip). The crafter makes the item.
- If the item is HQ, too bad for the crafter. He can make gil off his own stuff, but this item doesn't belong to him since the materials didn't.
- If the crafter fails, too bad for the buyer. The crafter gains nothing by failing voluntarily since the mats are spent, so calling it a scam is BS.
Advice: give the Tip once the item is completed.
It seems to me like you're disagreeing with what I said about Situation A when you have Situation B in mind.
This post is 100% fact and I agree. There's no ifs, ands or buts. Always wait to tip the crafter before they try with your mats or even theirs incase of failure.
Quote:If the synth succeeds, the Armorsmith in the case of a scam simply states he will sell it himself to whoever pays his asking price via his Bazaar. If the synth fails, the Amorsmith makes no attempts to reconcile losses (though admittedly, there is no real unwritten "norm" for the community as of yet). If the synth generates an HQ result, the Armorsmith tries to extort additional fees for the quality of the item, or sells it via his Bazaar at his asking price.
Like has been said, if they are your mats and an HQ happens and the crafter refuses to give you the item, that is in fact a ToS violation. If the item HQs and they have a NQ on their person and give you that instead, and you had no agreement before hand, well your own fault in that regard. If its the crafters mats and they HQ, that's now the crafters item and they can do what they want with it. If its the crafts mats and they fail, well you should still be tipping them because they just lost a lot of shit trying to do something for you.
I know when I repair peoples weapons sometimes I fail, and I expect to be compensated for my fail if using my own materials.