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Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Tiergan - 12-23-2013
1) When there are 6+ people RPing in one place, sometimes you're not being ignored on purpose. I'm sure there are some massive douchenozzle RPers out there who will be jerks and ignore you on purpose. However, if there are more then 6+ people all chatting at once in one location - there's a really, really good chance people are going to miss what you have to say if you're a stranger trying to break into the conversation.Â
It's very, very hard to track what everyone's saying at once, and once the number of people talking at the same time reaches a high enough number, myself and a lot of people I know will just start scanning the chat for names we know are talking to us so we don't miss what's being said.
This is why I both love and hate RP events where there are a giant mess of people all attempting to socialise at the same time because it can just get really, really impossible to RP sometimes when everyone's chattering at once.
2) If you're not sure whether you're being ignored or not - just ask OOC via tells if you can join in the RP.
If you're trying to break in a conversation, and no one's responding - just poke someone (who is very obviously chatting and definitely at their computer) and ask OOC if it's alright for your character to break into the convo for random RP. The game literally makes a noise and colors the text differently for easy reading - so if that person just keeps on RPing right after you sent the tell and totally ignores you, then you know for certain they're a jerk and you don't have to bother.
Otherwise, they'll either tell you "Sure, join us!" and you can point out that your character said a few things that likely got missed in the slog of chat - or they'll tell you "Sorry, we're just RPing with each other right now"Â And at least at that point you know not to waste your time.
3) OOC communication in general is key and can solve a lot of problems.
Not sure what's going on in RP? Ask OOC. Not sure if someone would enjoy the type of RP you're about to launch their way? Ask OOC. Not sure how to join in an RP event/story arc/random RP that's already running? Ask OOC. The biggest problem I see pop-up again and again in almost every RP community I join is that people don't think to go the simple route of OOC Communication to work out potential problems before they get big. Almost every situation can get resolved just by very politely chatting things over OOC before resuming.
4) If you're trying to get random RP, make it super easy to drag your character into things.
Just like your character probably wouldn't hail down some strangers out of the blue without good reason because it's not realistic. Other people's characters won't just hail down yours out of the blue without good reason either. Make it easy for them. Sit closer to the group. Stand somewhat nearby. If your character is the type to just run up to people and say hi - awesome! If not, try to provide some easy 'hook' for people to jump on so they can drag you into the RP in a way that feels natural for both their character and yours. If you sit on the other side of the room or just walk right past without emoting or saying anything - that doesn't really make it easy for anyone to make with the mutually beneficial RP awesomeness.
This is ESPECIALLY true if another person is providing a 'hook' for RP as well! You're just making it easier for each other!
5) if someone provides you a hook, for the love of god meet them halfway. Or just acknowledge that maybe that bit of random RP isn't going to work out for you.
If someone gives you a hook that might not be the greatest most appropriate one for your character, it's not their responsibility or obligation to keep trying to provide you with more hooks until they hit one that fits exactly with your character's interests.
Someone's taking the time to try and include you, at least work with them or provide a hook of your own to make it easier on them. Meet them halfway.
6) When there's a deeper, more serious conversation going on - sometimes it's just really, really hard to include total strangers unless you give them a solid hook.
While at first my RP at the Quicksand started off with Tiergan being hammered - there were two instances were another RPer showed up that wanted to talk Serious Business™.  In one case, it was a woman who came to tell the assembled group that a mutual friend was very hurt, possibly in trouble, and why. In this scenario - my character would be EXTREMELY focused on finding out more about his hurt friend, then he would striking up light conversation with a total stranger. It would be much easier if the stranger offered to help with the hurt friend, or went with the flow of the conversation in that manner - otherwise, it's just very tough.
Think about it: If in real life, someone you knew came to you to speak with you about how a friend you know is in the hospital - would you realistically be thinking about how to chat with a complete stranger you have no bonds with standing nearby?
Later, another RPer appeared and pointedly mentioned he wanted to speak privately with four people in the assembled group about a serious matter. We all got up and started leaving - at this point, there was just no way to include a stranger. My character was being led off to go have serious-business talk in private. The RP was transitioning from being open to more closed.Â
That's all I got - feel free to agree or disagree. If you disagree, I'd definitely love to read why, because I'm sure I have the wrong idea somewhere and could use some enlightening to make this whole process less of a pain in the butt for both myself and others in the future. /salute
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Varianna - 12-23-2013
Was a bit long, but I totally agree. +1
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Tiergan - 12-23-2013
Good lord. That is longer then I thought it would be.
::Snips off the top::
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Tobias Nightbringer - 12-23-2013
On a side note, I believe I have suggested this in some other thread before or at the very least talked to some RPers about it that are looking for RP or trying to join in on a public RP.
Names. Names names names. Use FULL names!
Large group? Even better. Using names can be 'hook' enough to at LEAST get acknowledged IC and USUALLY gets a 'glances at' or 'looks/peers over to' and the sorts.
Simply seeing your characters name somewhere other than at the left side of the chat box is enough to garner attention to see what the entirety of the post is about.
Example:
    Tobias Nightbringer approaches the group in the Quicksand. He first takes notice of Tiergan Vashir standing alongside Lurial Vashir. The siblings (assumedly) were in deep conversation with Francesca Laverre, with two others flanked on either side of her: Vash Ashford and Val Nunh. Just then, the Midlander takes note of yet another sauntering up to the gathering; Faye Covington. He wouldn't be surprised if Liadan Summerfield sho--and suddenly she too appears, gliding down the flight of steps with a trailing Brynhilde Wulf, whom he hears calling to the growing party as Rhesh'ir Zhwan waits at the bottom of the steps for them.
Tobias decidedly gets the Seven Hells out of dodge just as Cloud Strife crashes the party.Â
((All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real RP events, persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.))
Now if something like THAT doesn't get at LEAST a glance from anyone. Well then:
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RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Faye - 12-23-2013
This, so much of this! I see so many people moping around about their attempts at random RP being ignored when a lot of the time, it wasn't (intentionally) ignored at all.
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Tiergan - 12-23-2013
What Tobias said is a DAMN GOOD example of a hook. People KNOW FOR SURE that you're trying to catch their attention and there's next to no confusion.
Also - emotes are slightly different in color then /say text, so it might be easier for people to see.
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Ilwe'ran - 12-24-2013
(12-23-2013, 10:39 PM)Tiergan Wrote: Also - emotes are slightly different in color then /say text, so it might be easier for people to see.
Let's add that emotes text can be read from distance while /say cannot be seen.
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Sil'tel Ferima - 12-24-2013
I admit that I have a bad habit of barging into small gatherings and potentially wrecking their Serious Businessâ„¢, but I'm very obliging when someone /tells me immediately that their current situation can't really involve complete strangers in it. I've been in that situation before many times, and it's completely true that sometimes you're simply unable to meet-n-greet when the world, your friends, you family are in mortal danger.
My character pretty much considers herself more important than you, be default. So her usual tactic is to find a free chair at a table already occupied by people engaged in discussion, sit herself down without introduction, pour herself a glass of water and sink into a notebook, while all eyes at the table widen at the rudeness. If they point out the table is occupied, she'll respond that she doesn't mind in some throwaway manner, and that the party is free to move. It gets a pleasant mixture of responses, from death-threats to outrage to potential romantic interludes. For a character as antisocial as Sil'tel you do have to go out of your way to involve yourself and make an impression.
Hey, at the end of the day, you have to respect that a lot of people, myself included, get the most enjoyment out of feeling part of something larger. And if that means a world-ending catastrophe plot where only a few can solve that problem, so be it. Stories like that can get your blood racing, and unfortunately there's often little time to favor the newcomer. All I'd suggest is that you don't forget to make some allowances in your quieter time to be more open. The last thing you want is to cut yourself off from amazing new RPers because you were far too busy with your own thing.
I waffled too much during that. I like waffles..
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - ArmachiA - 12-24-2013
Tobias totally did that to me the other day and it worked. I walked in on an RP and stopped and he said my name in an emote and boom, I had Armi hide behind a crate and try to narrate what was going on. Totally worked.
Yeah, it can be really hard to bring people in if your discussing serious subjects, sometimes I feel bad when I'm in a more serious session and can't break away to acknowledge the other people in the room.
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Tobias Nightbringer - 12-24-2013
(12-24-2013, 02:31 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: Tobias totally did that to me the other day and it worked. I walked in on an RP and stopped and he said my name in an emote and boom, I had Armi hide behind a crate and try to narrate what was going on. Totally worked.
Yeah, it can be really hard to bring people in if your discussing serious subjects, sometimes I feel bad when I'm in a more serious session and can't break away to acknowledge the other people in the room.
Lol, I saw your character and at first I was like, "That name...looks...familiar..." checked my FList, saw you on it.
That is when it clicked.
And that is when I was like, "NOPE, NOT LETTING YOU GET OUT THAT EASY! YOU'VE SET OFF MY TRAP CARD!" xD
And finally I got to RP with you despite your best efforts to avoid me
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Maril - 12-24-2013
RP can be really hectic, having taken on the roll of a barmaid/servant many times in my RP career, I have experienced a lot of people being disgruntled that I was "Ignoring them" in settings where there were upwards of 25 people within my emote-range and probably around five of them wanting me to serve them, standing in a way that doesn't make getting any turn-order going that easy. I think it's also important to remember that people can easily miss an emote (and especially in XIV with the rather selective chatbug going on. I once did a five-lined emote about hot chocolate which no one could see cause of the chatbug), and that just like in most other situations IRL, you may have to repeat yourself to make yourself heard.Â
I think the worst thing you can do is to whisper people and say, "Hey you're ignoring me you ****" - even if you suspect you are being ignored or even can prove that you are, it's not a time to whisper accusations like that, it'd never mend a situation into something better.Â
Also, if you -are- being ignored, try to question why that might be. I have met a handful of good and honest people that I have had to either partially or completely ignore because they in some -severe- way are breaking the lore of a universe, or are playing out the main storyline of a game as having happened to them, because it's big big world-altering things for my character. I will usually always try to play it off as thinking someone is a bit coo-coo, but sometimes not even that is possible. And I never mean it in a harmful way, but when the versions of the universes story aren't compatible (I respect that people do what they want to do) the roleplay that would form isn't going to be enjoyable for anyone involved.Â
So just to say that some players do it in order not to break character, and not to be a big meanie :3
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Raccoon - 12-24-2013
It should also be pointed out that a hook has to be something physical, a look or something to that extent, or even verbal. Having an internal dialogue about the people around you isn't going to get a reaction IC since nobody is/should be a mind-reader. If I'm in the mood, I'll tell a person that OOC, but other times I can't be bothered. As a heavy RPer, I like to stay IC whenever possible, and having to handhold people OOC to get them involved is not my thing.
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Eliane Dufresne - 12-24-2013
I'd just like to emphasize the idea of hooks. If you're going to include someone in your RP, then please, include them in your RP! It's not fair to invite someone in your conversation and then start talking about things they have no knowledge about or have previously had no involvement in. Take the time to explain the situation to them and catch them up if you truly want them to get involved. Otherwise, they have no real way of participating, and they sit there feeling like a third (fourth, fifth) wheel. Many people will happily get involved in your RP/plots if only you extend to them a simple hook.
Give them something their characters might care about or be interested in.
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Nashri'a - 12-24-2013
I really like this post 8D If you don't mind Tiergan, I would like to share this to my guild forums.
RE: Random RP: Sometimes You're Not Being Ignored On Purpose!! - Magellan - 12-24-2013
(12-24-2013, 07:32 AM)Striding Oak Wrote: I'd just like to emphasize the idea of hooks. If you're going to include someone in your RP, then please, include them in your RP! It's not fair to invite someone in your conversation and then start talking about things they have no knowledge about or have previously had no involvement in. Take the time to explain the situation to them and catch them up if you truly want them to get involved. Otherwise, they have no real way of participating, and they sit there feeling like a third (fourth, fifth) wheel. Many people will happily get involved in your RP/plots if only you extend to them a simple hook.
+1 Tier, Sil'tel (I like waffles too), and especially Oak. ^ So much this. This is my biggest pet peeve in rp. Being invited to join a group, or rping with someone, and all they can talk about are the great adventures they shared together. GIVE ME SOMEBLOODY CONTEXT PEOPLE!! You've given me absolutely no reason to care ICly or OOCly, I need to care about you, the character, before I give two bits about your exploits.
The counterargument I hear sooo many times is 'I'm not here to hold hands'. Noooo.... you're not. But you are responsible for giving others a reason to actually want to interact with you, andself-glamorization and/or confusing the hells out of them (and me, OOCly), does not accomplish this.