(12-21-2015, 09:40 AM)Vyce Wrote:

(07-20-2013, 09:16 AM)Clover Wrote: This was a very interesting read! I did find it useful.

We know we can't apply animal rules to sentient creatures, as it's been stated. However, Miqo'tes still experience emotions and rules that I, as a civilised human being, simply can't comprehend.

I believe Miqo'tes are a mix of sentient/civilised and primitive. Since I already know how the former works, reading about that kind of system in its most primitive form does help for me to try to find a middle point. Understanding where their system came from and why it is like that is important to understand the characters and their views.

As for my Miqo'te, I was having trouble because I didn't want her to become a mother or to have had any sort of experiences with males so far. I've decided that she views breeding as some sort of society duty, one she'll have to fulfill when her mother tells her to. She's not eager for it because she knows she won't be able to go adventuring much once she has to start raising children, but she'll accept her role because that's what most female Miqo'tes seem to do. I'd never accept such a thing as a human being, but my Miqo'te is obviously not me, and I simply want to understand her better.

Yes, you would.

If you were raised in a culture where your sexuality was not your decision (Orthodox Judaism for example) you would either gladly accept your duty to your family, or risk losing everything by challenging their decision. A Miqote's mating requirements are not far off from the arranged marriage structures present in many societies today.

When I was little, I was taken to all kinds of play dates with a girl 2 years younger than me because our parents planned on having us establish a relationship through our lives and then one day marry. That's one of the ways Southern families arrange marriages. Unfortunately our parents had a falling out and the union was canceled (which is good because when puberty hit, it turned out I'm very gay) but I never questioned the idea that one day I was supposed to marry that girl. It was just a fact. My grandparents and great grandparents all had arranged marriages, and so would my mother have had she not been the rebel of the family and shut herself out of familial traditions for most of her life. Southerners are a little more like Miqote than flat arranged marriages in that we have things like Cotillions where all the young people are brought together in an oohlala fancy schmancy setting and sort of matched by our mothers.

"Wouldn't little Timmy and Amanda make a lovely pair? They'll have a beautiful family if they can get along."

Ultimately, these couples tend to fall in love or at least deep caring with time, and stay together for the rest of their lives.

(02-29-2016, 04:48 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(12-21-2015, 09:40 AM)Vyce Wrote:

(07-20-2013, 09:16 AM)Clover Wrote: This was a very interesting read! I did find it useful.

We know we can't apply animal rules to sentient creatures, as it's been stated. However, Miqo'tes still experience emotions and rules that I, as a civilised human being, simply can't comprehend.

I believe Miqo'tes are a mix of sentient/civilised and primitive. Since I already know how the former works, reading about that kind of system in its most primitive form does help for me to try to find a middle point. Understanding where their system came from and why it is like that is important to understand the characters and their views.

As for my Miqo'te, I was having trouble because I didn't want her to become a mother or to have had any sort of experiences with males so far. I've decided that she views breeding as some sort of society duty, one she'll have to fulfill when her mother tells her to. She's not eager for it because she knows she won't be able to go adventuring much once she has to start raising children, but she'll accept her role because that's what most female Miqo'tes seem to do. I'd never accept such a thing as a human being, but my Miqo'te is obviously not me, and I simply want to understand her better.

Yes, you would.

If you were raised in a culture where your sexuality was not your decision (Orthodox Judaism for example) you would either gladly accept your duty to your family, or risk losing everything by challenging their decision. A Miqote's mating requirements are not far off from the arranged marriage structures present in many societies today.

When I was little, I was taken to all kinds of play dates with a girl 2 years younger than me because our parents planned on having us establish a relationship through our lives and then one day marry. That's one of the ways Southern families arrange marriages. Unfortunately our parents had a falling out and the union was canceled (which is good because when puberty hit, it turned out I'm very gay) but I never questioned the idea that one day I was supposed to marry that girl. It was just a fact. My grandparents and great grandparents all had arranged marriages, and so would my mother have had she not been the rebel of the family and shut herself out of familial traditions for most of her life. Southerners are a little more like Miqote than flat arranged marriages in that we have things like Cotillions where all the young people are brought together in an oohlala fancy schmancy setting and sort of matched by our mothers.

"Wouldn't little Timmy and Amanda make a lovely pair? They'll have a beautiful family if they can get along."

Ultimately, these couples tend to fall in love or at least deep caring with time, and stay together for the rest of their lives.

Uh...what part of the South are you from, exactly?

Because I'm from the Deep South, too, and uh, I've never heard so much as a whisper of anything remotely approaching "arranged marriage."

(02-29-2016, 04:51 PM)Val Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 04:48 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(12-21-2015, 09:40 AM)Vyce Wrote:

(07-20-2013, 09:16 AM)Clover Wrote: This was a very interesting read! I did find it useful.

We know we can't apply animal rules to sentient creatures, as it's been stated. However, Miqo'tes still experience emotions and rules that I, as a civilised human being, simply can't comprehend.

I believe Miqo'tes are a mix of sentient/civilised and primitive. Since I already know how the former works, reading about that kind of system in its most primitive form does help for me to try to find a middle point. Understanding where their system came from and why it is like that is important to understand the characters and their views.

As for my Miqo'te, I was having trouble because I didn't want her to become a mother or to have had any sort of experiences with males so far. I've decided that she views breeding as some sort of society duty, one she'll have to fulfill when her mother tells her to. She's not eager for it because she knows she won't be able to go adventuring much once she has to start raising children, but she'll accept her role because that's what most female Miqo'tes seem to do. I'd never accept such a thing as a human being, but my Miqo'te is obviously not me, and I simply want to understand her better.

Yes, you would.

If you were raised in a culture where your sexuality was not your decision (Orthodox Judaism for example) you would either gladly accept your duty to your family, or risk losing everything by challenging their decision. A Miqote's mating requirements are not far off from the arranged marriage structures present in many societies today.

When I was little, I was taken to all kinds of play dates with a girl 2 years younger than me because our parents planned on having us establish a relationship through our lives and then one day marry. That's one of the ways Southern families arrange marriages. Unfortunately our parents had a falling out and the union was canceled (which is good because when puberty hit, it turned out I'm very gay) but I never questioned the idea that one day I was supposed to marry that girl. It was just a fact. My grandparents and great grandparents all had arranged marriages, and so would my mother have had she not been the rebel of the family and shut herself out of familial traditions for most of her life. Southerners are a little more like Miqote than flat arranged marriages in that we have things like Cotillions where all the young people are brought together in an oohlala fancy schmancy setting and sort of matched by our mothers.

"Wouldn't little Timmy and Amanda make a lovely pair? They'll have a beautiful family if they can get along."

Ultimately, these couples tend to fall in love or at least deep caring with time, and stay together for the rest of their lives.

Uh...what part of the South are you from, exactly?

Because I'm from the Deep South, too, and uh, I've never heard so much as a whisper of anything remotely approaching "arranged marriage."

Yeah I'm pretty deep in the south and this is crazy

(02-29-2016, 05:45 PM)Aaron Wrote: Are you like Texas south or like Georgia south.

Those are two very different south's

(02-29-2016, 05:45 PM)Aaron Wrote: Are you like Texas south or like Georgia south.

Those are two very different south's

(02-29-2016, 07:03 PM)allgivenover Wrote: How commonplace it is or isn't has no effect on the validity of his point.

(02-29-2016, 07:27 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 07:03 PM)allgivenover Wrote: How commonplace it is or isn't has no effect on the validity of his point.

No, it really does. He's claiming something is widespread where I live, and that's just not true at all outside of maybe - maybe - some backwoods inbred hicks (though I question whether they would know what a cotillion was).

He's talking about my home and painting it in a negative light by making claims that have no basis in reality. Forgive me for being offended when my home, my people, and my culture are being lied about

(02-29-2016, 07:37 PM)allgivenover Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 07:27 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 07:03 PM)allgivenover Wrote: How commonplace it is or isn't has no effect on the validity of his point.

No, it really does. He's claiming something is widespread where I live, and that's just not true at all outside of maybe - maybe - some backwoods inbred hicks (though I question whether they would know what a cotillion was).

He's talking about my home and painting it in a negative light by making claims that have no basis in reality. Forgive me for being offended when my home, my people, and my culture are being lied about

Far be it from me to deny someone a chance to indulge in righteous indignation, but you're off the mark,  His point about accepting what's normal to you is still very much valid is what I mean.

Also I'm from the south too, fuck the south.

(02-29-2016, 05:46 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 05:45 PM)Aaron Wrote: Are you like Texas south or like Georgia south.

Those are two very different south's

Ah.

Louisiana South.

Which is the Deep South, same as Mississippi, Alabama, or Georgia.

(02-29-2016, 07:40 PM)Val Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 07:37 PM)allgivenover Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 07:27 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 07:03 PM)allgivenover Wrote: How commonplace it is or isn't has no effect on the validity of his point.

No, it really does. He's claiming something is widespread where I live, and that's just not true at all outside of maybe - maybe - some backwoods inbred hicks (though I question whether they would know what a cotillion was).

He's talking about my home and painting it in a negative light by making claims that have no basis in reality. Forgive me for being offended when my home, my people, and my culture are being lied about

Far be it from me to deny someone a chance to indulge in righteous indignation, but you're off the mark,  His point about accepting what's normal to you is still very much valid is what I mean.

Also I'm from the south too, fuck the south.

That's part of it. Another part is him saying that it's prevalent in many societies today, then he goes on to state something that happened to him in the south as an example. This is but a singular occurrence. I can assure you that it is not "prevalent" and most people you mention this to would think it's ridiculous.