(06-03-2017, 09:26 PM)Zelmanov Wrote: Best part is that Balmung will be utterly purged of gil sellers since they can get banned and no one can make a new character on there! 

I am partially conflicted as to the establishment of an official roleplay server. It will shatter the community. It does not matter if transfers are free because not everyone will leave. Too many houses and apartments at stake. Likewise some people have established ties outside of RP on Balmung.

It is actually why I /love/ the server. Because it is so massive and bloated I can find a raid group, complete PVE content, fight primals. Anyone who goes to Mateus for RP runs the risk of not being in the one of three or so raid groups. For some it does not matter, but for people like me who like to do endgame content on some days and unwind with RP? I am gonna stay here most likely.

(06-03-2017, 09:46 PM)Tyndles Wrote:

(06-03-2017, 09:26 PM)Zelmanov Wrote: Best part is that Balmung will be utterly purged of gil sellers since they can get banned and no one can make a new character on there! 

I am partially conflicted as to the establishment of an official roleplay server. It will shatter the community. It does not matter if transfers are free because not everyone will leave. Too many houses and apartments at stake. Likewise some people have established ties outside of RP on Balmung.

It is actually why I /love/ the server. Because it is so massive and bloated I can find a raid group, complete PVE content, fight primals. Anyone who goes to Mateus for RP runs the risk of not being in the one of three or so raid groups. For some it does not matter, but for people like me who like to do endgame content on some days and unwind with RP? I am gonna stay here most likely.

If people go to Mateus they can still raid with folks from Balmung.

(06-03-2017, 07:54 PM)Tyndles Wrote:

(06-03-2017, 07:36 PM)Eses Fafa Wrote: It honestly depends on the mindset of the roleplayer. I'm sure someone's probably stated what I'm about to say in the 16 pages of this but I agree with the poster in the long run.

I myself am European, and have originally started roleplay in Steamwheedle Cartel EU on WoW. As it was in its higher population and there were more options, people were just thrilled at the IDEA of roleplay. Unfortunately, most of the greater minds who create a stronger community are the ones who either heavily contribute to a primary RP server or wind up joining one. People can RP amongst themselves and I've been doing so on this game since 2013 with a group of 90% US players. There are, however, plenty of EU players on Balmung and if time restraints are that much of a problem, it's better to stay where all of the roleplayers are since those within their preferred area of time will be online anyways.
If people try to create RP servers segregated by region, the night life will be sleepier, more boring and have less potential variety to be tapped into with the community.

In regards to paying for transfer, Square Enix won't be keeping Balmung in this state for long, so placing focus towards the more heavily-populated roleplay servers like Gilgamesh as a temporary fix may be necessary. Keeping people apart only dulls the overall experience when there are so many creative minds under one roof.

I'm fairly certain Balmung is going to stay locked for a long while.  Months at least.  It's THAT overfilled, and Gilgamesh is not a good option unless you're going to create a community from near the ground up.  (and it too, is very full and will not unlock for a long time)

(06-04-2017, 08:58 AM)Eses Fafa Wrote:

(06-03-2017, 07:54 PM)Tyndles Wrote:

(06-03-2017, 07:36 PM)Eses Fafa Wrote: It honestly depends on the mindset of the roleplayer. I'm sure someone's probably stated what I'm about to say in the 16 pages of this but I agree with the poster in the long run.

I myself am European, and have originally started roleplay in Steamwheedle Cartel EU on WoW. As it was in its higher population and there were more options, people were just thrilled at the IDEA of roleplay. Unfortunately, most of the greater minds who create a stronger community are the ones who either heavily contribute to a primary RP server or wind up joining one. People can RP amongst themselves and I've been doing so on this game since 2013 with a group of 90% US players. There are, however, plenty of EU players on Balmung and if time restraints are that much of a problem, it's better to stay where all of the roleplayers are since those within their preferred area of time will be online anyways.
If people try to create RP servers segregated by region, the night life will be sleepier, more boring and have less potential variety to be tapped into with the community.

In regards to paying for transfer, Square Enix won't be keeping Balmung in this state for long, so placing focus towards the more heavily-populated roleplay servers like Gilgamesh as a temporary fix may be necessary. Keeping people apart only dulls the overall experience when there are so many creative minds under one roof.

I'm fairly certain Balmung is going to stay locked for a long while.  Months at least.  It's THAT overfilled, and Gilgamesh is not a good option unless you're going to create a community from near the ground up.  (and it too, is very full and will not unlock for a long time)

I'm honestly not saying that players SHOULD avoid splintering off and creating other communities, though if Balmung becomes the smaller community, Balmung will die out and most will move to the bigger one. That's the mindset of the overall roleplay community. Once the server swap is available again, Balmung will either be the smaller community by the end of it and the transfers out will commence or this new community will be off splintering again back to Balmung. It's not so much a solution to the situation, more a sorta grim truth. People say FFXIV is going to be different from other games but it really isn't. We're not a different breed of human.

(06-04-2017, 10:52 AM)Luna Sona Wrote:

(06-04-2017, 08:58 AM)Eses Fafa Wrote:

(06-03-2017, 07:54 PM)Tyndles Wrote:

(06-03-2017, 07:36 PM)Eses Fafa Wrote: It honestly depends on the mindset of the roleplayer. I'm sure someone's probably stated what I'm about to say in the 16 pages of this but I agree with the poster in the long run.

I myself am European, and have originally started roleplay in Steamwheedle Cartel EU on WoW. As it was in its higher population and there were more options, people were just thrilled at the IDEA of roleplay. Unfortunately, most of the greater minds who create a stronger community are the ones who either heavily contribute to a primary RP server or wind up joining one. People can RP amongst themselves and I've been doing so on this game since 2013 with a group of 90% US players. There are, however, plenty of EU players on Balmung and if time restraints are that much of a problem, it's better to stay where all of the roleplayers are since those within their preferred area of time will be online anyways.
If people try to create RP servers segregated by region, the night life will be sleepier, more boring and have less potential variety to be tapped into with the community.

In regards to paying for transfer, Square Enix won't be keeping Balmung in this state for long, so placing focus towards the more heavily-populated roleplay servers like Gilgamesh as a temporary fix may be necessary. Keeping people apart only dulls the overall experience when there are so many creative minds under one roof.

I'm fairly certain Balmung is going to stay locked for a long while.  Months at least.  It's THAT overfilled, and Gilgamesh is not a good option unless you're going to create a community from near the ground up.  (and it too, is very full and will not unlock for a long time)

I'm honestly not saying that players SHOULD avoid splintering off and creating other communities, though if Balmung becomes the smaller community, Balmung will die out and most will move to the bigger one. That's the mindset of the overall roleplay community. Once the server swap is available again, Balmung will either be the smaller community by the end of it and the transfers out will commence or this new community will be off splintering again back to Balmung. It's not so much a solution to the situation, more a sorta grim truth. People say FFXIV is going to be different from other games but it really isn't. We're not a different breed of human.

Then how do you explain Moon Guard and Wyrmrest Accord on WoW? Those are two healthy RP servers and people can just switch between them. There's no reason for it to be, "Balmung or nothing."

(06-04-2017, 12:32 PM)Momo Wrote: A move away from Balmung, either slowly or quickly is fine, BUT what isn't fine, and something I experienced within literally the first few minutes of moving to Mateus is: "Balmung RPers and their community are horrible, and not really welcome here."

Literally this and literally within a mere hour of joining the main LSs on Mateus. We don't know what will happen to Balmung, or what people will do now that it is closed, but starting on this note isn't the way to go about things.

(06-04-2017, 12:32 PM)Momo Wrote: A move away from Balmung, either slowly or quickly is fine, BUT what isn't fine, and something I experienced within literally the first few minutes of moving to Mateus is: "Balmung RPers and their community are horrible, and not really welcome here."

(06-04-2017, 01:09 PM)Virella Wrote:

(06-04-2017, 12:32 PM)Momo Wrote: A move away from Balmung, either slowly or quickly is fine, BUT what isn't fine, and something I experienced within literally the first few minutes of moving to Mateus is: "Balmung RPers and their community are horrible, and not really welcome here."

I've seen that happen as well. Yes.

What I don't get either? The few people who are helping these communities from Balmung are genuinely trying to be nice to them. They don't seem to have some grand saviour complex either. But alas. I guess we just can't play nice.

(06-04-2017, 12:32 PM)Momo Wrote: A move away from Balmung, either slowly or quickly is fine, BUT what isn't fine, and something I experienced within literally the first few minutes of moving to Mateus is: "Balmung RPers and their community are horrible, and not really welcome here."

(06-05-2017, 01:00 PM)Graeham Wrote: I find that there's usually two sides to most stories. I've seen people bring up Balmung in a negative way but I've also seen people bring up Mateus in a negative manner too. Ultimately, though, it could just be venting taken out of context. Maybe the people involved were just having a bad day, maybe there's growing pains because they're frustrated that they moved from Balmung to get away from Balmung and now a lot of people from that server are now knocking on their door. A lot of people on Mateus may have genuine concerns that some people are only going to settle temporarily on the new server, set up connections and then jump ship if Balmung opens up again.

I remember there being a similar rivalry between Balmung and Gilgamesh...that got pretty heated and nasty at various points. Balmung certainly wasn't innocent in that battle, nor was Gilgamesh.

Server pride can be very dangerous, though. It can make even genuinely nice people act unreasonable much in the same way as even regular people can act deranged and/or overly defensive regarding their favour football teams.

In short, it's definitely not a black or white situation and it shouldn't be treated as such. Ultimately, though, Balmung has the luxury of being a behemoth - a few bad apples taking aim at it isn't going to destabilise it. Mateus, though, is smaller, so it stands to lose more if it ends up getting a poor reputation based on a few vocal, bitter players. With that in mind, Balmung players may need to just swallow their pride and shrug off the venting/sniping rather than bringing it up across multiple threads whenever Mateus (or another server seeking to sustain role-players) is brought up.