(06-10-2015, 01:07 AM)Varis Siberys Wrote: Once you're branded a heretic, it's pretty impossible for people to accept you. Any Ishgardian that put their neck out on the line would be kind of ostracizing themselves from their own belief, not necessarily out in the open but perhaps in their own religion and kind of betraying Halone.

On a secondary note, there isn't some "big list of heresey" that they keep around in the upper echelons of their society. That's why they have Inquisitors always about and making sure that everything is kept in check. Hell, there's even the Dark Knights to worry about, upholding the justice among all social ranks and classes of Ishgard. Once you are branded a heretic, you are fairly certain to never be accepted once again into the fold. Especially if you're of the higher echelon, which is the caste of people that live that very comfortable life. You wouldn't suddenly just appear and get everything you used to have without the entirety of the Clergy looking at you and laughing at you before dragging you off to some sort of penance, or worse.

My recommendation wouldn't be to take this route but instead to take the route of Ishgard needing able bodies to add to the war effort. Something that is very real and very much going to be happening. Rather than saying, "Look, I really just want my kush life back," say something to the effect of, "I've pledged my life, body, and soul to The Holy See in terms of penance and am willing to do anything to earn the graces of my people once again." As you're an Elezen and as you talked about your character wanting their kush life back, considering that would make them of the higher caste of people in Ishgard, it's a little more believable taking that route with an Inquisitor or a member of the Clergy acting as a sponsor of some kind. Even then it's kind of pushing the boundaries.

One does not simply become a heretic and become forgiven.

Which leads into my question. Why would she have become a heretic in the first place if she was of the high caste of Ishgard in the first place? What is the severity of her crime?

(06-10-2015, 06:13 PM)Varis Siberys Wrote: We honestly don't have much, if anything, to go off of when it comes to heretics repenting.

(06-10-2015, 07:14 PM)Varis Siberys Wrote: *snip*
Your character is a diamond in the rough of Ishgardians, as is, due to the fact that we get a very clear image of how Ishgardian "heretics" accept their fate. In both examples that we are given by the MSQ - two very different individuals - they were both ready to die, albeit not without trying to voice their side of the story or questioning it. They did not fight the Inquisitor, they accepted his judgment in the end.

(06-10-2015, 07:14 PM)Varis Siberys Wrote: But therein lies the issue. We do have some sort of grasp on how things are handled due to the existence of Inquisitors and their dogged hunt for heresy. We do know that Ishgard doesn't have a computer database that can just be wiped clean.

In your case, particularly, it's a little rougher than usual to get around that. Usually, I'd nod my head or shrug my shoulders and say, "Well, they can't keep track of everyone and such. They disappeared for years and came back under a pseudonym." Well, that works perfectly fine.

What you've explained, however, is that a case among -nobility- which is described to be outlandish within itself due to the existence and necessity of the Dark Knights - but that's a totally different topic - was handled and your character was branded as a heretic due to the actions she took following that case. Now, given the outlandish nature of heresy among the elite, inferred by the presence of Dark Knights, and the way that the lower caste of Ishgardians are treated it can be stipulated that yours is a face that they might not want to forget and while they aren't going to traipse throughout Eorzea to find and kill you, they might be ready for your return and looking forward to dealing with the ant that slipped through their fingers.

Going down a rather darker path, with the existence of the Dark Knights and the Inquisitors both, there might be something of an action taken against your character even if you managed to weasel your way back into the fold. A zealot among Inquisitors seeing your very presence an affront against Halone, or a Dark Knight viewing the way that your return was handled as an affront against justice and the Ishgardian standard. It all leads down a very bad path for writing in general that few have the patience to write out.

As I stated earlier, as well, it would be nearly impossible for your character to find an individual willing to put their honor (and potentially their life) on the line for a tried and true heretic.

Pretending that she was able to get through all of that hardship just for the sake of argument and her return to Ishgard, from a writer's perspective, I cannot with any frame of mind think that she would be capable of regaining her previous lifestyle "just like that," if ever. Those that she was born around would never be able to trust her or even terrified to do anything -with- her for fear of dealing with a heretic.

Your character is a diamond in the rough of Ishgardians, as is, due to the fact that we get a very clear image of how Ishgardian "heretics" accept their fate. In both examples that we are given by the MSQ - two very different individuals - they were both ready to die, albeit not without trying to voice their side of the story or questioning it. They did not fight the Inquisitor, they accepted his judgment in the end.

(06-10-2015, 11:23 PM)thesunalsorises Wrote: It seems to me that we have vastly different styles of role play, and this forum is not the place to be policing other people's style of role play or their interpretation of the lore. If you don't like how I, or anyone else for that matter, personally role plays you are not in any way obliged to role play with me/them or look at my/their threads. I respectfully ask you to leave, unless you have something to say that is actually relevant to my original post. Thank you.

Edit: I also never mentioned that said plot to enter Ishgard had to be successful or was even going to be easy. I just wanted to do this part of the plot first, then I'll go on role play and deal with the IC consequences later.

(06-12-2015, 01:51 AM)Raeha Wrote: I feel that many people with any sort of "clout" in the Ishgardian society would be very hard pressed to help someone accused of Heresy

(06-12-2015, 03:37 PM)Nakoli Chalahko Wrote: If I remember correctly, that is because the person did not believe that they were a heretic, and worked to prove their innocence. The person did not run away.

Therein lies the issue with me. If you truly were repentant, or not a heretic, you would not have run. That instantly puts a tick against you on whether or not people would believe your story back in Ishgard.

(06-12-2015, 03:57 PM)thesunalsorises Wrote:

(06-12-2015, 03:37 PM)Nako Wrote: If I remember correctly, that is because the person did not believe that they were a heretic, and worked to prove their innocence. The person did not run away.

Therein lies the issue with me. If you truly were repentant, or not a heretic, you would not have run. That instantly puts a tick against you on whether or not people would believe your story back in Ishgard.

I know OOC, no one would probably believe her unless she pulls some magic while trying to manipulate people and telling her side of the story. IC, she doesn't see it that way at all, and she'll try because she's thoroughly convinced she can pull it off. She sees herself as a victim, and her thinking is very self centered.