(06-05-2015, 10:27 PM)BroodingFicus Wrote:

(06-05-2015, 08:48 PM)Cedric Wrote:

(06-05-2015, 08:40 PM)OttoVann Wrote: Wait a second, do I need to have all of these shitty MSQs done before I can do Early Access?

I think it's safe to say that you'd need to finish 2.55 before entering Ishgard during Early Access. And opening the three new jobs.

Au Ra will be available from the get-go.

Yep. That seems to be the way of it at this point. *pets alts sadly*

If I didn't believe the MSQ should be account wide when completed before, I certainly do now. Its atrocious on replay and it isn't always great the first time through anyhow. I'd say each installment about five or six of the quests are essential and the rest are ridiculous padding where the Warrior of Light/main character is sent on stupid errands like he/she secretly had a partial lobotomy and forgot they actually had better things to do before they agreed to delay saving the freakin' world to get everyone some tea. 

Do it once. Done. Its replay value is 0. And if you don't want me making alts, don't give me new races. Up until now I was willing to accept that making alts was my decision and I would just have to suffer for it. But with Au Ra, there is a very mixed message here. Have a new race but oh, don't make new characters or we'll make things supremely dull for you and we won't even let you be the class you want. HAVE A NICE DAY.

Suffice it to say I imagine myself in the MSQ with my Au Ra AST to be being about as much fun as laying on a bed of fire ants. *clicks angrily through dialogue* 

(06-05-2015, 10:57 PM)Nako Wrote: The thing is, the game is designed to not need alts. The only downside to that is the inventory space. The entire game is built around the fact that you can do everything on one character. I don't see that changing as it is a core feature of the game.

(06-05-2015, 10:57 PM)Nako Wrote: The thing is, the game is designed to not need alts. The only downside to that is the inventory space. The entire game is built around the fact that you can do everything on one character. I don't see that changing as it is a core feature of the game.

(06-05-2015, 11:20 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote:

(06-05-2015, 10:57 PM)Nako Wrote: The thing is, the game is designed to not need alts. The only downside to that is the inventory space. The entire game is built around the fact that you can do everything on one character. I don't see that changing as it is a core feature of the game.

You forgot tome caps, cross-class skills, gear lockouts, etc.

FFXIV punishes you for doing everything on one character to begin with, contrary to how it's advertised. Either have one or the other, you know?

(06-05-2015, 11:36 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Staples in some MMOs. Not that it changes anything just because another game is guilty of the same flaws. It's punishment via tedium, plain and simple.

Either make multi-classing viable on one character outside of the magic classes or give those eight character slots some incentive. It's really not that hard either way.

(06-05-2015, 11:40 PM)Nako Wrote: multi classing is very viable outside of the magic classes. I speak as someone who has all of them leveled and reasonably geared....

and I /really/ don't see how its a punishment, they don't want people to have no reason to play, so they artifically elongate the time spent in game by gating stuff through caps and lockouts. It's a business design that is proven to work, and is an inconvenience at worst.

(06-05-2015, 11:46 PM)Cedric Wrote:

(06-05-2015, 11:40 PM)Nako Wrote: multi classing is very viable outside of the magic classes. I speak as someone who has all of them leveled and reasonably geared....

and I /really/ don't see how its a punishment, they don't want people to have no reason to play, so they artifically elongate the time spent in game by gating stuff through caps and lockouts. It's a business design that is proven to work, and is an inconvenience at worst.

That still does not explain why they chose to give us 8 character slots. And if we choose to use up all of those other slots, we're punished by having to go through the MSQ's again. (I wouldn't mind having to level them, I actually like leveling.)

By all intents and purposes, they should have just charged us the price of the game, the $14.95 a month sub, and only give us 1 character slot. Period.

But I get that this is how they made their game. So... /shrug

(06-05-2015, 12:12 AM)Zyrusticae Wrote: But this conversation really goes nowhere if no one actually mentions exactly what it is that they dislike about playing X class versus playing Y class versus playing another video game entirely. What do you actually like? What does the game fail at? How would another class fix those failures and/or pander more towards your particular sensibilities?

(06-05-2015, 11:47 PM)Nako Wrote: There is the option to pay less and only have one character slot per server.

(06-05-2015, 11:40 PM)Nako Wrote: multi classing is very viable outside of the magic classes. I speak as someone who has all of them leveled and reasonably geared....

and I /really/ don't see how its a punishment, they don't want people to have no reason to play, so they artifically elongate the time spent in game by gating stuff through caps and lockouts. It's a business design that is proven to work, and is an inconvenience at worst.

(06-05-2015, 11:56 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote:

(06-05-2015, 11:40 PM)Nako Wrote: multi classing is very viable outside of the magic classes. I speak as someone who has all of them leveled and reasonably geared....

and I /really/ don't see how its a punishment, they don't want people to have no reason to play, so they artifically elongate the time spent in game by gating stuff through caps and lockouts. It's a business design that is proven to work, and is an inconvenience at worst.

Not exactly. Say you pick up BRD, but you've been a mage at heart. Well, guess what? Now you have to pick up 34 levels of LNC just so you won't run out of TP and have a reasonable burst, all skills you won't be able to use on anything but those two classes. That is hardly an incentive, especially with all the gear nonsense; only soldiery gear is able to be acquired on a reasonable time frame. Everything else is either luck and/or a grind.

And I'm sorry, but if you have to artificially elongate progress in a video game to keep people in it, then the problem lies not with the pacing, but with the core design itself. Ironically, FFXIV doesn't have this problem, so why does SQX bother? Cosmetics and housing are the only real end-game, not a hackneyed treadmill.

(06-05-2015, 12:14 AM)Addison Wrote: Pretty sure everyone who responded negatively to Zyrusticae's post missed the point. None of you are subscribers for the sole reason that you're a White Mage. Or a Ninja. Or a Warrior. You have other motivators too, and those motivators also fall under "the entire game."

(06-05-2015, 11:20 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote:

(06-05-2015, 10:57 PM)Nako Wrote: The thing is, the game is designed to not need alts. The only downside to that is the inventory space. The entire game is built around the fact that you can do everything on one character. I don't see that changing as it is a core feature of the game.

You forgot tome caps, cross-class skills, gear lockouts, etc.

FFXIV punishes you for doing everything on one character to begin with, contrary to how it's advertised. Either have one or the other, you know?

(06-05-2015, 11:36 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Staples in some MMOs. Not that it changes anything just because another game is guilty of the same flaws. It's punishment via tedium, plain and simple.

Either make multi-classing viable on one character outside of the magic classes or give those eight character slots some incentive. It's really not that hard either way.

(06-05-2015, 11:46 PM)Cedric Wrote: That still does not explain why they chose to give us 8 character slots. And if we choose to use up all of those other slots, we're punished by having to go through the MSQ's again. (I wouldn't mind having to level them, I actually like leveling.)

By all intents and purposes, they should have just charged us the price of the game, the $14.95 a month sub, and only give us 1 character slot. Period.

But I get that this is how they made their game. So... /shrug

(06-05-2015, 11:56 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Not exactly. Say you pick up BRD, but you've been a mage at heart. Well, guess what? Now you have to pick up 34 levels of LNC just so you won't run out of TP and have a reasonable burst, all skills you won't be able to use on anything but those two classes. That is hardly an incentive, especially with all the gear nonsense; only soldiery gear is able to be acquired on a reasonable time frame. Everything else is either luck and/or a grind.

And I'm sorry, but if you have to artificially elongate progress in a video game to keep people in it, then the problem lies not with the pacing, but with the core design itself. Ironically, FFXIV doesn't have this problem, so why does SQX bother? Cosmetics and housing are the only real end-game, not a hackneyed treadmill that only a minority will enjoy for a few months before picking up the next new shiny MMO.

(06-05-2015, 11:20 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote:

(06-05-2015, 10:57 PM)Nako Wrote: The thing is, the game is designed to not need alts. The only downside to that is the inventory space. The entire game is built around the fact that you can do everything on one character. I don't see that changing as it is a core feature of the game.

You forgot tome caps, cross-class skills, gear lockouts, etc.

FFXIV punishes you for doing everything on one character to begin with, contrary to how it's advertised. Either have one or the other, you know?