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On Age - IvikBlack - 03-04-2015
Full disclosure: I'm 30 IRL, I RP a character who is 31.
Eorzea is not the real world. It's an important thing to keep in mind, but unfortunately our experiences in RP cannot always be completely separated from RL. Given my age, seeing characters under the age of 18 behaving salaciously, IC or not, makes me extremely uncomfortable.
I've involuntarily witnessed sixteen year olds RP in the midst of heavy flirting, getting wasted in public and talking about their proclivities, etc. etc. etc. In fact, once my character hit on a miqo'te in a bar only to find out she's supposed to be sixteen IC -- that was EXTREMELY awkward.
I really don't like it, but I'm not so sure that there's an actual solution to the problem aside from RPing in more exclusive venues. I tend to RP in public a lot, so I wish we had some kind of ingame character/player profile system to determine the age of people we're RPing with so I could avoid the young'ins.
Thoughts?
RE: On Age - Drifter - 03-04-2015
While I agree that it may be uncomfortable or awkward for some people to see or hear that sort of RP, I personally don't see anything wrong with it in and of itself. It's like trying to deny the fact that RL sixteen year-olds are actually out having sex and getting drunk, etc etc...Â
It's fine to be IC and OOCly against it, but we shouldn't have to limit certain people's RP because of it.
#My2Gil
RE: On Age - Enzo - 03-04-2015
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Yes to the above post. Limiting is bad.
PM them and ask. That is the only real solution I can think of. It is a perfectly possible mistake to make in real life as well. You could be flirting with someone to learn that they are younger/older than they are. But people are going to act how people act. People will flirt, get drunk, and talk about their proclivities no matter their age IC or OOC. Most role players are at an age where they have been exposed to this IC and OOC anyway. How your character reacts to it is completely up to you though.
RE: On Age - Warren Castille - 03-04-2015
For people of a younger age category, I'm sure there's no issue with someone being 16 and engaging in sexual conduct. As someone who's near Presidio's age, though, I'd never be comfortable with it OOCly because as a grown-ass man, children being sexually active is a huge no-no.
RE: On Age - IvikBlack - 03-04-2015
What bothers me about it is you don't actually know that the people RPing as 16 year olds are 16... It's a huge grey area for explotation, and I'm not even sure if it's legal to be doing it, engaging in it, or even seeing it.
It might actually fall under child pornography depending on how far people take it.
RE: On Age - Dogberry - 03-04-2015
I'm also 30. Dogberry is 34. There are a number of characters (Laufuli, Flickering Ember, Wiltfya to name a few) who I call "Dogberry's kids" because he is very concerned about their well being. Some of them are not, technically speaking, children, but he views them as such. Dogberry has a lot of misdirected paternal issues.
That said, when it comes to uh... getting physical, Dogberry has proven himself at times a scumbag. At his emotional low points, a sixteen year old obsessing over him would most definitely be the kind of emotional validation he'd crave until he was done with them. He has done stuff like this before, but not with a teenager.
But even with the right ratio of fatherhood/validation, it's unlikely a teenager could properly satisfy him. He's got tastes and needs you just aren't born with. Experience would most definitely win out over age.
Me as a person says oh god, no, sixteen year olds please go home and do teenager things. Me, as a role player, looks at it and says "this is a fantasy world, with a different set of cultural morals, and also my character is a bit of a shitbag sometimes."
I should also disclose that I don't ERP. I strictly fade to black, mostly because I find ERP about as sexy as visit to the dentist.
RE: On Age - Verad - 03-04-2015
To what extent does this tie in with your concerns, stated in other threads, regarding players making characters solely for the purposes of fetishization?
RE: On Age - IvikBlack - 03-04-2015
I know where you're coming from Dog. My character sounds A LOT like yours, scarily so.
And of course, OOC -- no way in hell I'm going anywhere near that.
(03-04-2015, 05:14 PM)Verad Wrote: To what extent does this tie in with your concerns, stated in other threads, regarding players making characters solely for the purposes of fetishization?Not at all. Minors being sexually active in a place where I can see it just makes me feel VERY uncomfortable.
RE: On Age - Verad - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 05:16 PM)Presidio Wrote: Not at all. Minors being sexually active in a place where I can see it just makes me feel VERY uncomfortable.
Fair enough, but there seems to be a strong emphasis on playing an age range similar to ones' own - you open your post by showing how close your character's age is to your own.
Is it more or less uncomfortable if the OOC age of the player is significantly higher than the IC age of the character?Â
And is the discomfort RP-specific? Or do any depictions of sexually active minors, regardless of medium, cause the same discomfort?
RE: On Age - IvikBlack - 03-04-2015
Any depiction of sexually active minors makes me uncomfortable, yeah.
And it makes me far more uncomfortable if the person isn't a minor, because it fringes on pedophilia.
RE: On Age - allgivenover - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 05:14 PM)Dogberry Wrote: Me as a person says oh god, no, sixteen year olds please go home and do teenager things. Me, as a role player, looks at it and says "this is a fantasy world, with a different set of cultural morals, and also my character is a bit of a shitbag sometimes."
I should also disclose that I don't ERP. I strictly fade to black, mostly because I find ERP about as sexy as visit to the dentist.
This.
RE: On Age - Verad - 03-04-2015
If it's any depiction, that sounds very much like a you-specific problem. The depiction thereof can have some useful aesthetic purposes, and setting aside that it's a depiction of what minors tend to actually do, I'd hate to lose works like Lolita.
I could see it being more troubling in RP than in other media because of the semi-private nature of the depictions and, as you've pointed out, it can have some questionable implications, though I'm much more ambivalent about making pedophilia claims.
You may have to transfer to more exclusive RP and set limits on what you consider acceptable play in order to really avoid the problem.
RE: On Age - Coatleque - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 05:22 PM)Presidio Wrote: Any depiction of sexually active minors makes me uncomfortable, yeah.
And it makes me far more uncomfortable if the person isn't a minor, because it fringes on pedophilia.
Such uncomfortableness is merely a product of the society you were raised in. You must separate the accepted 'norm' from actual biology and learn some history. It wasn't until the mid 1800's in real life that people were suddenly considered "minors" under a specific age. That was when the conservative right lobbied for age of consent laws to try and cut down on human sex trafficking and forced marriages.
Before then, you were almost a full adult by 14. That is when biology naturally takes over. That is when nature intended the human species to be mature. If a child is not emotionally developed enough to handle life by then, it is society's/the parent's fault, not nature. Not the Government.
That being said, the government is still in charge here, sadly. And if they say such things are illegal, then you must contend with their backing of force. All I'm saying is that before you say "That makes me uncomfortable", take a look at WHY you feel that way and put it in perspective over the course of all of human history. If your view makes absolutely no biological sense, perhaps you should reconsider it.
RE: On Age - Uninstalldotexe - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 05:31 PM)Coatleque Wrote:(03-04-2015, 05:22 PM)Presidio Wrote: Any depiction of sexually active minors makes me uncomfortable, yeah.
And it makes me far more uncomfortable if the person isn't a minor, because it fringes on pedophilia.
Such uncomfortableness is merely a product of the society you were raised in. Â You must separate the accepted 'norm' from actual biology and learn some history. Â It wasn't until the mid 1800's in real life that people were suddenly considered "minors" under a specific age. Â That was when the conservative right lobbied for age of consent laws to try and cut down on human sex trafficking and forced marriages.
Before then, you were almost a full adult by 14. Â That is when biology naturally takes over. Â That is when nature intended the human species to be mature. Â If a child is not emotionally developed enough to handle life by then, it is society's/the parent's fault, not nature. Â Not the Government.
That being said, the government is still in charge here, sadly. Â And if they say such things are illegal, then you must contend with their backing of force. Â All I'm saying is that before you say "That makes me uncomfortable", take a look at WHY you feel that way and put it in perspective over the course of all of human history. Â If your view makes absolutely no biological sense, perhaps you should reconsider it.
You would be correct. I would just add that in the times you mentioned, your average life expectancy was much lower than it is today due to lack of innovations in the medical field. I want to say you were considered "old" around your 40s to 50s if you managed to live to that ripe age.
RE: On Age - Coatleque - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 05:41 PM)Jijiroga Wrote: You would be correct. I would just add that in the times you mentioned, your average life expectancy was much lower than it is today due to lack of innovations in the medical field. I want to say you were considered "old" around your 40s to 50s if you managed to live to that ripe age.
True, but irrelevant.
What does living longer have to do with the age of maturity? Nothing. Else biology would have naturally moved along with it. Unless you are just seeking a pass for lazy parenting. Being old at 65 rather than 50 has no bearing on being mature at 14.