(10-18-2014, 09:22 PM)Merri Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 08:51 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 08:34 PM)Aya Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 08:09 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: So, uh, yeah. You are perfectly justified in playing a regular Joe if being that super-special snowflake doesn't sit right with you.

How could there ever have been any question about this? O.O

The story line is an obvious single-player story thrust upon an MMO.

I was hoping that they would explain that the Echo is actually more common than the super-special-snowflake storyline was suggesting.

But NOPE!

This was actually answered in 1.0 to an extent, but no so much in ARR. The echo isn't common in relation to the general populace. There are, however, a lot of people who awoke with the echo. It was inferred that the Path of the Twelve (which disbanded after the calamity) had many members. Again, in comparison to the general populace, a couple hundred people scattered across Eorzea is next to nothing. It's not as exclusive as people seem to think, though. At least, it wasn't during 1.0, and some of those characters are still around.

The path of the twelve was only secretive because they were fearful of people figuring out about their "gift" and being afraid of them. Not because it was five or six people working in the dark.

If you want your character to have the echo, give it to them. If you don't abuse it, most people shouldn't really care. It's a part of the world, and opens doors to interesting possibilities that would otherwise be unfeasible.

But yeah. Just my opinion, on top of what was established in 1.0

(10-18-2014, 10:30 PM)Mae Wrote: I'm actually surprised that more people RP not having the Echo, even as a latent thing that they don't ever use or acknowledge. It honestly didn't seem to be that big of a deal to me as long as it wasn't being abused.

(10-18-2014, 10:30 PM)Mae Wrote: Pretty much everything Merri said. The Echo is uncommon when you consider the entire population. But since it is canon that adventurers have certain qualities (aetheryte travel, for example) that set them apart from the rest of the population, it could be argued that the Echo is fairly common within the adventurer population -- it's just a matter of people knowing/realizing it's there. 

I'm actually surprised that more people RP not having the Echo, even as a latent thing that they don't ever use or acknowledge. It honestly didn't seem to be that big of a deal to me as long as it wasn't being abused.

(10-18-2014, 09:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 08:07 PM)Melkire Wrote: Q: Has there been a slow revival of White Mage and use of Succor, or is the main Player Character the one and only WHM outside of the Padjal?

A: You, the Warrior of Light, are the one and only chosen to do this. (Oda: There are other ways of getting white magic. There are other groups trying to revive white magic using nefarious means.)

(Emphasis mine.)

Interesting...

...though the implications for PC White Mages are rather more complex now.

Alas that the archive of the stream is only available to those who want to pay.

(10-18-2014, 10:35 PM)K Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 09:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 08:07 PM)Melkire Wrote: Q: Has there been a slow revival of White Mage and use of Succor, or is the main Player Character the one and only WHM outside of the Padjal?

A: You, the Warrior of Light, are the one and only chosen to do this. (Oda: There are other ways of getting white magic. There are other groups trying to revive white magic using nefarious means.)

(Emphasis mine.)

Interesting...

...though the implications for PC White Mages are rather more complex now.

Alas that the archive of the stream is only available to those who want to pay.

So if there's officially other ways of getting white magic, my character finding a soul stone in The Sunken Temple of Qarn (Which was from the 6th era, when white and black mages were pretty common), fits the lore after all. She just got the white magic seperate from the main story. Works for me!

(10-18-2014, 10:35 PM)K Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 09:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 08:07 PM)Melkire Wrote: Q: Has there been a slow revival of White Mage and use of Succor, or is the main Player Character the one and only WHM outside of the Padjal?

A: You, the Warrior of Light, are the one and only chosen to do this. (Oda: There are other ways of getting white magic. There are other groups trying to revive white magic using nefarious means.)

(Emphasis mine.)

Interesting...

...though the implications for PC White Mages are rather more complex now.

Alas that the archive of the stream is only available to those who want to pay.

So if there's officially other ways of getting white magic, my character finding a soul stone in The Sunken Temple of Qarn (Which was from the 6th era, when white and black mages were pretty common), fits the lore after all. She just got the white magic seperate from the main story. Works for me!

(10-18-2014, 10:34 PM)Ciel Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 10:30 PM)Mae Wrote: Pretty much everything Merri said. The Echo is uncommon when you consider the entire population. But since it is canon that adventurers have certain qualities (aetheryte travel, for example) that set them apart from the rest of the population, it could be argued that the Echo is fairly common within the adventurer population -- it's just a matter of people knowing/realizing it's there. 

I'm actually surprised that more people RP not having the Echo, even as a latent thing that they don't ever use or acknowledge. It honestly didn't seem to be that big of a deal to me as long as it wasn't being abused.

As someone who technically has it, it's kind of hard to use it effectively in RP.  I've acknowledged certain aspects of it, such as understanding other languages aside from Eorzean Common, but the whole part about stepping or looking into a person's past really toes the line of meta and player consent, and opens the door to someone with the Echo saying "Well it's on your character's wiki page, I totally saw that happen with my magical snowflake powers".

For this reason, I try to be extremely careful with it and what it can do, much less disclosing that she has it.

(10-18-2014, 10:57 PM)Mae Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 10:34 PM)Ciel Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 10:30 PM)Mae Wrote: Pretty much everything Merri said. The Echo is uncommon when you consider the entire population. But since it is canon that adventurers have certain qualities (aetheryte travel, for example) that set them apart from the rest of the population, it could be argued that the Echo is fairly common within the adventurer population -- it's just a matter of people knowing/realizing it's there. 

I'm actually surprised that more people RP not having the Echo, even as a latent thing that they don't ever use or acknowledge. It honestly didn't seem to be that big of a deal to me as long as it wasn't being abused.

As someone who technically has it, it's kind of hard to use it effectively in RP.  I've acknowledged certain aspects of it, such as understanding other languages aside from Eorzean Common, but the whole part about stepping or looking into a person's past really toes the line of meta and player consent, and opens the door to someone with the Echo saying "Well it's on your character's wiki page, I totally saw that happen with my magical snowflake powers".

For this reason, I try to be extremely careful with it and what it can do, much less disclosing that she has it.

The visions, totally can understand how people would want to avoid using those. But the ability to understand languages seems benign enough.

I had actually thought about putting Echo-accessible(?) scenes/memories on my wiki page about a month ago... I wonder if I should go ahead, just as sort of experiment.

(10-18-2014, 10:48 PM)Nako Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 10:35 PM)K Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 09:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:

(10-18-2014, 08:07 PM)Melkire Wrote: Q: Has there been a slow revival of White Mage and use of Succor, or is the main Player Character the one and only WHM outside of the Padjal?

A: You, the Warrior of Light, are the one and only chosen to do this. (Oda: There are other ways of getting white magic. There are other groups trying to revive white magic using nefarious means.)

(Emphasis mine.)

Interesting...

...though the implications for PC White Mages are rather more complex now.

Alas that the archive of the stream is only available to those who want to pay.

So if there's officially other ways of getting white magic, my character finding a soul stone in The Sunken Temple of Qarn (Which was from the 6th era, when white and black mages were pretty common), fits the lore after all. She just got the white magic seperate from the main story. Works for me!

Except Qarn comes from Belah'dia which is 6, whereas White Mages were common in 5th.

(10-18-2014, 11:02 PM)Jana Wrote: understanding other languages seem to be the only constant. I might be mis-remembering though.

(10-18-2014, 10:35 PM)Kailia Wrote: So if there's officially other ways of getting white magic, my character finding a soul stone in The Sunken Temple of Qarn (Which was from the 6th era, when white and black mages were pretty common), fits the lore after all.

(10-18-2014, 11:21 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: While the Temple of Qarn supposedly existed in the 5th Astral Era